Lifestealer I think. I managed to won 1vs1 when i was still spamming lifestealer but he built heart though.
Void is the best 1vs1 hero.
He can solo anyone as long as its 1vs1
BKB.
Slarks pretty decent lategame vs. Spectre if you catch her out cause you can sook up so much damage.
Generally you don't want to go lategame vs. Spectre, thus rather take advantage over her weaknesses.
When you play VS. Spectre you want to be ahead in farm which should be easy cause most carries farms way faster than Spectre, so heres some fine heroes:
-Luna
-Weaver (Do not go too late! You'll get to a point where even you just tickle a Spectre)
-Slark
-Skywrath
-Lifestealer
Just try to end game early, you generally don't want to play Late vs. Spectre.
Big carries like Faceless Void won't be able to kill Spectre in chrono in lategame, this means Void will be a lame carry that struggles getting heroes to hit. (Which is one of voids weaknesses in the lategame, even though people thinks he's superamazing lategame)
It's usually not about what carry your team has, but how your lineup looks. You shouldn't focuse your carry hero to just counter the enemy pos1. Hero.
Void will beat a spectre in a 1v1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsL84X-oec
But really any carry that can farm faster then spectre should be able to beat him before he gets big, ie. AM LUNA. Just don't wait till 1hr+ to go for a push
Void 1 vs 1 all hard carries:
Kill 6 slotted medusa without single mana burn item
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIx8rcK58Do
I did pretty bad my last game, I went deso -> linkens on weaver... I was like "they dont seem to have much disables so why bother with linkens" but then I realized I have no regen, pudge can eat me, getting hit for 15% hp from NP's ult, lich and when I started to go for linkens my farm was very limited and everyone were taking so much space
What about Dusa?
AM is bad choice against strong hardcarries in pubs. He's weaker than most of them six slotted, so if you don't manage to finish game once your item build is done, you are likely to lose it.
Full DPS Void kills Spectre in Chrono, but one successful disable in a team fight will cost him a game.
Spectre also has different item builds. If she goes Manta, Radiance, Diffusal - most hardcarries will fight her easily, but she'll be very strong in team fights. If she goes Abyssal, Satanic, Butterfly - only few carries will be able to do anything, but her team fight potential will also be much lower.
pl.
You can even triple face spectre, cause pl has actually something to offer, countrary to spectre, but even if you don't, push all lane with pl, spectre cann't unpush. avoid every unheavily prepared teamfight, easy win.
Dusa is exellent, as stated before, cause her ultimate kill illusion, so basically, you'll ruin spectre in what he's the best, that is to say, teamfighting.
Medusa murders default Spectre, but if she goes 1v1 build, it's like 60% in Spectre's advantage.
Void is all about Chrono. Most of carriers kill him easily via Refresher + Guinsoo, it's pretty much equal.
1v1 bkb will block spectres dispersion and desolate so I think practically any super hard carry with a fresh bkb will kill a 6 slotted spec. Without dispersion and desolate spectre is like a faceless void... minus timelock and chrono lol. I mean their bat is the same, agi gain is similar.
Ember Spirit has a unique way to counter Spectre. A very farmed Ember can destroy all of Spectres haunt illusions before they do an attack with sleight of fist in a teamfight situation. While Spectre remains, the huge dps her illusions would do to your team late game is removed. Spectre alone is not really that hard to defeat, nearly all her power comes from her ult.
As matrice mentioned Medusa is also great at killing the haunt illusions. But its much more likely to get into a situation where stone gaze is on cd, while slight of fist has a very low cd. You can use it just to take out the illusions and still choose to fight or not, nothing wasted.
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btw relentless I think you're rusty.
Spectre's strengths are desolate and dispersion, not her ulti.
You gotto start reading books again or you won't be the old Relentless, but just another trash that thinks he knows what he talks about :s
Dude a spectre with his illusions ulti killed is a pretty sad spectre man, even more late game
Just sayin
You do realize that Desolate damage is way better than any other type of damage lategame because it's pure?
It does in a way get better as the game goes later cause normal rightclick does less cause of armor increase.
Yet again, someone wrong.
Spectres illusions doesn't do shit unless:
-Radiance burn (countered by pipe)
-Diffisual blade
-No desolate (Units in range of target)
AKA a teamfight where all heroes are clumptd up spectres ult doesn't really do much damage.
the thing about desolate is the if the enemy is close it does 0 damage, just sayin
Dont try to make it look like desolate is better than am´s mana burn for example because, guess what, am mana burn works all the time.
A teamfight where all heroes are clumptd his ulti will do no damage and his desolate will do no damage
Like are you trying to say that if spectre instaloses his ulti illusions is fine ? because that its literally taking one ulti out of a hero.
Heroes that instakill his ulti illusions DOES counter him
or she
or it
"Dusa is exellent, as stated before, cause her ultimate kill illusion, so basically, you'll ruin spectre in what he's the best, that is to say, teamfighting."
I dont think matrice is wrong dd
Again you're wrong.
AMs mana burn doesn't work vs. BKB.
And why are you telling me shit about dusa? I never said anything about medusa.
Also mana burn damage doesn't scale at all. It only gets good for the ulti, and the ulti isn't even good unless you get a sick 2k mana burn on 5 heroes.
AMs stength is splitpushing, not teamfighting.
And again, AMs mana burn is trash compared to desolate. Desolate works as long as heroes doesn't hug, and heroes hugging might even be better than desolate.
You are saying that spectre ulti is not that important, but several people including matrice a 6k player has already stated that if you kill her illusions she loses what she does best, teamfighting.
AM mana burn doesnt work vs bkb the same way desolate doesnt, but at least it works when there is 2 enemies one close to another.
You dont really need to hug each other to desolate not to work, its a 350 radius if i am not mistaken.
What i mean is that you are basically saying that if you lose all your ulti illusions as spectre is fine, because its less important than her other 2 pasives, well i cant agree with that.
I bring the dusa example because matrice was saying that if spectre loses his ulti ( in other words a hero instakills her illusions ) she loses a lot or almost all her utility
I never said Spectres ulti isn't important?
What I said is that it's not Spectres stenght? Jesus, I'm not even sure if I'm fucking stupid or cause it's cause im tired, but am I missing something?
You seem to tlak about things I never said.
I said Spectres strenghts are Desolate and Dispersion, not her ulti. I didn't say her ulti isn't an important part of the hero.
Desolate>Illusion onehits supports if they are notinrangefordesolatenottowkr = Ultimate will rape if heroes aren't together
Which means desolate is one of her best strengths as it's what allows her to melt heroes, if desolate doesn't work then Spectre ult relies more on radiance burn, which doesn't happen if enemy has pipe which is very likely.
If not radiance burn, its back to manta style damage > Again, desolate.
meh I think I should go sleep, seems like I'm missing something incredible and making myself look stupid as fuck. Might be wrong though, and you talking about something else than I do
mmmm dude i dont know maybe it was my bad
Relentless was taking about ember instakilling her illusions, and so you responded to him saying that her strenght was not her ulti but her other 2 skills, so i thought you were saying that heroes that instakill her illusions does not counter her.
Anyway i dont think a ember can instakill spectre ulti illusions in a 6 sloted vs 6 sloted case so .......
No worries, shit happens! :-)
Also to your opinion:
No, relentless, sorry, but you really need to go back and read books.
Ember won't be able to kill all 5 Spectre illusions UNLESS:
-3 battlefuries, 2 daedalus and a divine.
-All 5 heroes stays on eachother so cleave will hit all 5 illusions
-Lucky with crits
Aka, it's unrealistic so making Ember look like a counter to Spectre's ult is underwhelming.
Oh well my bad i guess i didnt undestood what you were saying :P
btw, necro is really really good against spectre too, i am not sure about this but i think heartstoper aura does not get reduced by her passive
Plus necro usually pushes really early so spectre is kind of useless
Just imagine this:
Necrolyte:
Aghs
Dagon5
Ethereal blade
Refresher
Travels
Skadi/Heart/Whatever
Ulti, ethereal blade, Dagon 5
That'll usually be over 50% off Spectres HP/Any carrys hp (If not, you can refresh) which means they die and can't buyback?
How strong isn't that?
I mean, there's probably lot of ways to play Necro, but this build seems quite chucky and fun. Might aswell work.
Necros a weird hero though, which they can tweak/change him some way to increase his mobility or something. The hero is cool
Necros ult is pretty OP against heroes that doesn't neutrally buy BKB. Such lategame much
Usually i just buy tanky items that helps my team too ( mek pipe ) and after that i push with my team, that its usually a easy win
If i dont need pipe i get atos, with phase and atos is enough to chase any hero.
By the other hand: http://dotabuff.com/matches/810893968
In this game i should have gone dagon 5 eblade, heart actuallly did 0 for me
I dont know why i have to lose points because my viper had to leave just after we get the enemies mid rax but oh well
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So? Whos a good carry that goes late along with spectre than can fight him? I know the best way to win vs him is to win the game early-mid game and have him shut down but I need ideas who can actually manfight him late game w/o help of doom or other supps.
Just tried weaver (no idea why did I even think of that) and lost horribly, picked him because I didnt really have idea who to pick, void seems good but on the other hand Im not sure if he can solo take 6 slotted spectre during a chrono