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General DiscussionIs veno support dead

Is veno support dead in General Discussion
Quartermistress

    Is veno too good of a core to be wasted as a support, or is it meta or what.

    Shou

      veno is just a greedy hero, i guess u can play him as a pos 4 but its kinda bad
      the whole point of veno core is applying pressure and forcing reactions and thus creating space
      with aquila at 5 min and the cart wave u threaten the enemy tower and force people there which makes space for the rest of ur team
      he also scales well with items and doesnt rlly do anything without em.

      cartel

        Almost useless as a support

        Soggy Bottom Boy

          Yeah, yeah, only 1.5k trash I am, but I just have a 4 win streak on veno (just started to play that hero again). I think veno needs levels a lot and some basic items like aquila, dragon lance, boots of choice. That's why I wouldn't play him sup. Getting early fast levels to max his wards is a big deal. Wards can be used to push towers and also to provide vision, two things that are really important in this patch. I played him sort of like a support once, when we went with SB offlane, but that was fine, because SB left after we got a kill and he hit level 2 so I had that lane solo afterwards to get my levels.

          evy

            I only played veno once and I had to support because I had 3 goons and 1 indog afk farming trash
            Useless af as a support

            High Level Trashtalker

              Veno roaming is the best. The slow from the first skill is able intimidate enemy heroes and u can basically right click with ur laner. Kill secured

              evy

                Other roamers can do that and do much more
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                High Level Trashtalker

                  But if u are playing veno support, roaming is the best instead of jungling and buying wards only

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                  Anomaluna

                    I think veno support died when jungling level 1 died. That's usually what support veno does, to my NS knowledge. Jungle till level 5 then just push towers with level 3 wards. I don't see the point of a level 1 boots Veno using gale to gank and then doing nothing else.

                    Soggy Bottom Boy

                      Yeah veno jungle is not good now. I did it in 1 game and got away with it because the enemy team was stupid and never tried to get an advantage from me jungling. So I got out of the jungle at like lvl 7-8 with phase boots, aquilla, raindrops and Veil and we wrecked them, but again that was simply the enemy team being bad.

                      I am pretty sure that veno should be core position 2 or 3.

                      Shou

                        veno is a core but he can be 1, 2, or 3
                        his items r super versatile, he can buy practically anything, cuz the main advantage of the hero isnt abusing any specific item, like bf on am or radiance on naga
                        veno creates pressure and makes space
                        also plague wards at 25 r rlly retarded, they have 1200 hp wtf

                        Stentorian

                          veno support ded

                          O.J.'s Juicy Bag of Nuts

                            Funny, but veno is actually the best jungler right now. Jungle the dire ancients area from level 1. First kill the large and stack the medium. When you get level 3 kill the ancients easy 5 minute Midas and level 8 min 8. If enemy roamer comes to yank they get killed by like 8 Venice wards and passive

                            Veno support on the other hand is same as support pa. Okay as lane support but useless after. Veno already has surviveability problems. A support veno just gets killed over and over

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                            Stentorian

                              ^ meanwhile your lanes get shat on and your 5 min midas is met with enemy AM's 10 min bfury.

                              Bungmangler

                                ^^ woah now. Lets not kid ourselfs here. Even a trilane protecting AM, he won't get a naked 10 min battlefury unless they are 100% flawless and do not miss a single creep along with taking the hard camp every spawn. which they can't do with a perse.

                                I agree. Jungling is dead and hurts your team hard during the laning stage.

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                                O.J.'s Juicy Bag of Nuts

                                  Not if the enemy team has a pudge or useless roamer

                                  PiesangSlagter

                                    What if you max Gale? It's a lot of damage and good crowd control that can't be removed with basic dispels. Then maybe rush blink veil and use an early value point in wards for scouting. Even with no items ult still deals a lot of damage.

                                    Probably the main benefit (over picking another support) is that you can play as a core if needed. You could also jebait the enemy team into thinking you're core, then counter picking you based on that, then you pick a carry to counter their carry.

                                    meteor hammer

                                      i wish gale/sting ticked dps faster and the damage could be dispelled, the no dispel shit is awful

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