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General DiscussionWHy do people smurf?

WHy do people smurf? in General Discussion
Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

    Its just retarded to ruin games for new players, not everybody plays games every day and night hoping that he/she will become a pro player cuz he has no job or isnt going to school or sells accounts for a living(LMAO)

    Do they even realize that some people actually plays this game casually, actual new players that plays dota?

    this dota issue is just plain stupid.

    Player 281121816

      Because they fuckin loser. Despite to improve and challenging themself, they rather bully little kids who’s doesnt know how to play dota properly.

      Then they thought “Wow im awesome, cuz im destroying these kid’s dream”.
      And thus, thats make them such a douchebags and trash society

      Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

        ^tbh, after 5-10 years(when dota dies) can they still call themselves awesome? No job, no education, just playing dota everyday and night to, I wonder what kind of lives they will lead in 5-10 years. I doubt that their parents would be proud of them for stomping new players.

        cartel

          toni aren't you a smurf

          Ayaneru   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            Dota 2 should nerf ranked matchmaking. Make it to atleast 1 year and 200+ matches in order to calibrate your mmr.

            Player 281121816

              ^tbh, after 5-10 years(when dota dies) can they still call themselves awesome? No job, no education, just playing dota everyday and night to, I wonder what kind of lives they will lead in 5-10 years. I doubt that their parents would be proud of them for stomping new players.

              I know, thats why i called them loser cuz they feels proud winning against other kids, proud to humiliating someone who’s weaker than themself. Its make them happy

              They got arrogance,selfish vibes in their real life. Just like typical bully in ur school

              Sanft & Sorgfältig

                I smurf cuz i cant play with my friends on Main Account, my mmr is too high.

                SirIronSights

                  smurfing=free VHS thread.

                  Snowball

                    I'm not a smurf by any means as I'm a 2k scrub. But I do play on an alternate account when I want to practice some new heroes. Cos it's a one way ticket to reports and LP if I try on my main account. Even if I play unranked ppl still report u if u didn't play well on an unfamiliar hero. And yes, I do practice with bots first..usually like 10-20 games.

                    Rocket

                      Isn't Valve pretty good at identifying smurfs and putting them all in a smurfbox away from new players?

                      Ultimately the +25/-25 MMR concept is what ruins things anyway. There should be more opportunity to climb/fall rapidly from win/loss streaks for example.

                      Feachairu

                        the real question is,will dota die!??!

                        Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                          ^no their matchmaking system is shit. Actual new players with less than 10 games get matched against smurfs with high stats

                          Marko Bulat

                            People smurf because they can, evrybody is doing it and there is no way to prevent it, its a free to play game you just need to create new account and you are done. Policing smurfs would cost Valve too much money becuase you simply cant make an autodetection algorithm that would do this 100% effectively, any serious bans would create many false positives, its dota, you can have a good game and a bad game, even some Heralds can have awesome KDA if draft enables their hero to do what ever he wants, does this mean they are smurfs? Ofcourse not. So actual people have to be hired and new reporting system has to be made for smurf policing, this simply would require too much resources for Valve to care so they will ingore it like they did for 10 years so far.

                            Why would you smurf? To have some chill games, to try out new build, to have some fun its a video game afterall isnt it? Sure you gonna say "play Unranked!" well guess what Unranked is dogshit, its matchmaking, people playing it DC all the time or abandon when they see they are losing, its sucks, playing ranked games on lower bracket is much more fun and better.

                            Ultimately the +25/-25 MMR concept is what ruins things anyway. There should be more opportunity to climb/fall rapidly from win/loss streaks for example.

                            Current system is best there is, everything esle would suck hard, if its easy to grind up MMR and i can jump from Herald to Divine in a blink of an eye this would make boosters paradise, if "unlucky" losing streak would cost you tons of MMR people would be even more afraid to queue for ranked and this would cause worse ladder Anxiety, and ultimately if on winning or loosing streaks MMR would osculate heavily it would make it irrelevant. People play Ranked games to increase MMR thats why everyone is so toxic when they are losing, because they are not getting what they wanted and that causes frustration.

                            Image if in recalibration you could get thousands of MMR? What is your motivation to play ranked outside of it? It would just be a boring chore,people would just wait for recalibration to have those jump and dont touch ranked until the next one, because everybody go for the most efficient solutions, in the other news, water is wet!

                            the real question is,will dota die!??!

                            Yes, dota is very complicated to get into, the ammount of stuff you need to know and time to practice it requires tremendous time and effort, so old players will eventualy get over it and quit and i doubt that influx of new players is anywhere near large enought to cover it. Most of people now just come back to new patch or recalibration, play for few weeks and go do something else, people playing dota on daily bassis at this moment is barely 500k.

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                            mute all

                              well thats how life goes..it will never be fair even when playing games especially the system can be abuse so easily..i cant say that they are loser or a bully, but as long as the game devs wont deliver a better matchmaking system in the future..its either u man up and straight up try to improve while accepting that smurfing will be a thing in this game or leave and try to find a better game that suits you..thats my opinion..

                              Oldman

                                Smurfing issue is pretty much killing the game. Recently its becoming a plague. People are tired of tryharding and show off their skills on stomping newbs.

                                I dont care about smurfs themselves but it makes matchmaking unbalanced. As OP said I just wonder where will their lives be at when they stop playing dota.

                                Calibrating new account is just too easy to make. They should have made higher restrictions for new accounts in the past. For example you need to play 200 games minimum (only normal - no turbo games). But this would just minimize acc buyers and smurfs on higher brackets. There would still be a lot of smurfs in lower brackets. But only when some noob would sell an acc to you, so it would lower overall quantity of such accounts. Anyway its too late now to do anything about it imo.

                                mute all

                                  i agree turbo matches should be count as custom games not as a normal games..smurf accounts are much easier now because of turbo games..

                                  csgo matchmaking system are coming to dota 2 and every other games hoping that it will solved smurfing issues..

                                  Oldman

                                    Another problem with "smurf box" is that when you play too good, you are in a good shape and you are wining game after game in balanced conditions - you can be identified as a smurf and be put into a game with people on red days/buyers/people after long breaks against people on green days together with a smurf on mid.

                                    I can make a very long analysis of this issue with pure examples of this matchmaking issue. Dota used to be a good game. You could actually dodge games where you knew you gonna lose from start (for example you run into the same game ruiner from last game). You could just leave the game with 5 min searching penalty.

                                    Rocket

                                      +25/-25 is the root cause of most of what could be improved in public matchmaking. No-one would boost or smurf if, after 20 games, they were back to where they should be. It doesn't need to be complicated - have a simple variable 'uncertainty' that increases by +1 if the result of your latest game is the same as your previous game and decreases by 1 if it is different. The MMR won/lost is 25 x 'uncertainty'.

                                      So, win one game you get +25, win second game you get +50. If you win the next game you get +75 but if you lose you lose 25. Obviously wouldn't work for Immortals but for everyone else there would be a bit more variance in their mmr but it would settle to the correct range a lot, lot faster.

                                      Marko Bulat

                                        Another problem with "smurf box" is that when you play too good, you are in a good shape and you are wining game after game in balanced conditions - you can be identified as a smurf and be put into a game with people on red days/buyers/people after long breaks against people on green days together with a smurf on mid.

                                        Exactly this, every automated system would create so much false positives and would do more harm than good, for an 100% actual smurf detection you need living people, like admins on old counter strike 1.6 servers, where they would spectate players in order to figure out do they use cheat or not if someone members.

                                        Calibrating new account is just too easy to make. They should have made higher restrictions for new accounts in the past. For example you need to play 200 games minimum (only normal - no turbo games). But this would just minimize acc buyers and smurfs on higher brackets. There would still be a lot of smurfs in lower brackets. But only when some noob would sell an acc to you, so it would lower overall quantity of such accounts. Anyway its too late now to do anything about it imo.

                                        But also by creating more barries of entry in dota 2 would make it even more new player unfriendly, every suggestions sums up to "damned if you do damned if you dont" so it doesnt matter eventualy, many smurfs dont even bother to calibrate themselvs, there is actualy plethora of low accounts that low player create to escape the low skill or get "VHS xD" so they will just gift them to smurfs who will gladly accept them and save themselves of trouble.

                                        @Rocket dude, there is only 1 kind of people that hate +25-25 system! BAD PLAYERS! THey hate it because they are bad and they cant win consistently so they are not climbing, good players dont care about it because they are good and they will climb no matter what!

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                                        Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                          people smurf because they can. btw, there is a difference between "smurf" and "alt account". most pros who claim to be playing on their "smurfs" are just using their "alts". yes, they are slightly lower rank maybe, but they are still playing in the same skill bracket more or less. actual smurfs are just insecure people with superiority complex that just cannot comprehend they are bad so they have to take it out on players with lower skill and feel good about themselves.

                                          Marko Bulat

                                            people smurf because they can. btw, there is a difference between "smurf" and "alt account". most pros who claim to be playing on their "smurfs" are just using their "alts". yes, they are slightly lower rank maybe, but they are still playing in the same skill bracket more or less. actual smurfs are just insecure people with superiority complex that just cannot comprehend they are bad so they have to take it out on players with lower skill and feel good about themselves.

                                            I agree, but root of this problem is that dota is only fun and fulfilling when you are winning and frustrating and tilting when you are losing, so when you hit the red days on your main, you log your smurf to have your dose of "green" and feel good again, improving is not something that happens over night, some people dwell for months, even years on same MMR, for improving first you need to identify why are you losing, its very hard to be objective when judging your own decisions in game, your brain simply wont alow it its a human imprinted defense mechanism to search guilt in others, thats why psychiatrist are invented you cant be objective when introspecting.

                                            Rocket

                                              that's not true. If I meet a smurfer in my game I hope he gets 100 or 200mmr per win so he won't be in any more of my games. Likewise, I'm sure divines wish that account buyers dropped faster as well.

                                              it'd make no difference to people playing at their correct mmr apart from their range being +/-300 instead of +/-200.

                                              Marko Bulat

                                                that's not true. If I meet a smurfer in my game I hope he gets 100 or 200mmr per win so he won't be in any more of my games. Likewise, I'm sure divines wish that account buyers dropped faster as well.

                                                it'd make no difference to people playing at their correct mmr apart from their range being +/-300 instead of +/-200.

                                                This wouldnt solve the problem it would only make boostng more profitable. Smurfing happens in my bracket too, here is just 3 games from the top of my head where immortal smurf destroyed us and we couldnt do shit to him, his gameplay was just 10 times superior to ours i play in this bracket and i know how players of similar skill move around the map and use abilities, so its not really hard to detect when someone is sticking out from the pattern.

                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4311657422
                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4288996829
                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4336196359
                                                Every bracket has smurfing, just deal with it and move on... Game agaisnt OD if you look at the chat sums everything up, after 3rd smoke gang where we couldnt catch OD, my PA just destroyed items cause he didnt wanted to waste time and get humiliated again by this smurf, he just wanted it to be over and go next.

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                                                Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                  how exactly does smurfing help? you will absolutely not improve in such games. besides, losing is much better for improvement if you actually learn from it.

                                                  Rocket

                                                    if they paid for a booster to win 10 games they would climb 1375 mmr. if they lose the first game after taking back the account they lose 200 mmr, if they lose the next game they lose 225, next game 250. the number of people wanting their account boosted would be much smaller.

                                                    Marko Bulat

                                                      ^That doesnt matter, you dont really think that someone would buy Divine account and then lose on it until he is back to crusader or whatever do you? No man, they just want to try how certain bracket feels, they will usualy tilt and dump it after 10-15 consecutive defeats it doesnt matter if they lose -25 or -250, they will see that they cant compete in that bracket and dump it when they get stucked in low priority or shadow pool.

                                                      Medal system is actualy so good for account buyer problem, when you see for example Divine 5 player in Ancient bracket, you know something is wrong, first of all its embarrassing, second people will flame them, they will get reported and eventualy earn low prio. Account buyers are not the problem anymore, smurfing still is.

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                                                      Feachairu

                                                        i smurf so i can queue unranked matches faster or turbo(to understand basic of a hero,like that time i play mk),it takes like 5 mins to queue turbo on my acc fuck you valve
                                                        and 5 second on legend account

                                                        papito bravo

                                                          @Feachairu
                                                          Go back to your pokeball.

                                                          Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                                                            Its just the 5ks or 6ks or even 4ks that are retarded somehow and just smurfs on 1k mmr bracket.

                                                            Yes i think that Valve should set the minimum number of games to be eligible for ranked to 200-300 normal games and they shouldnt count turbo matches.

                                                            Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                                                              Its just frustrating for me, I just want my casual gamer friends to enjoy dota but they got destroyed by smurfs instead leaving no room for learning anything.

                                                              ubica

                                                                well one can blame the dota ranked system, coz its usually faster to make a new acc than to climb

                                                                死の恐怖 Haseo

                                                                  Haha funny thread very cool Mr. Smurf

                                                                  Clippy

                                                                    Using a lower ranked account to fuck around with your lower MMR buddies in party is one thing since you probably are playing something stupid like Ogre mid and not trying all that hard. But solo smurfing for the sole purpose of just shitting on people that are lower skill than you is pointless and just makes the other 9 people in your game upset that you've basically ruined any competitive aspect of the match.

                                                                    I'll admit back when CS:GO was relevant I was way better at it than I am Dota, and I did have a smurf account that I would use to play with my friends that weren't all that great. It was fun messing with people on the other team (following them around, taunting them when they can't see me etc.) but I never went super sweaty just to dunk on people 8 ranks lower than me, that'd just be rude.

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                                                                    papito bravo

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                                                                        @ Lex
                                                                        I agree what you are saying in part - 200 minimum normal games + linked to a mobile number (this will force people to get a sim at the very least) however I don't think it is ever too late to start sifting out the 'bad guys'.

                                                                        Why doesn't Valve add an additional report function "suspected smurf / account buyer"? If that account was to receive a high number of reports in a short number of games OR is persistently reported for smurfing over a given time it would help Valve identify these accounts or investigate further. Yes the damage to others peoples game would be done (possibly a slow way to identify them), however combine it with the above and hopefully it would decrease the number sufficiently before looking into more complex metrics to find and ban them.

                                                                        JDF8

                                                                          because people use the report function as an "i want you to go to lpq because you lost me a game"

                                                                          it's going to be fraught with situations where someone who consistently plays poorly gets banned out as a smurf

                                                                          not that it couldn't work, but i think the best way to do it is to add some kind of human oversight in the system, which valve is typically averse to

                                                                          Marko Bulat

                                                                            Very easy way to save yourself from smurfs would be to just give us the option to queue only with people of a certain level, for example select lvl 70 and above, this would exclude all the smurfs and game would be playable at high rank, but it would destroy new players unfortunately... But i never saw smurf account higher than lvl 20-30. People are not really spamming queues on them.

                                                                            Whatever they do we cant all be winners i guess, someone has to suffer.

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                                                                            twitch.tv/afeect

                                                                              You mean the ones who create 20 acc's a month? Cuz there is a difference between alt and a smurf acc. On alt acc ppl go after inactivity or to practice sth without wanting to drop shit ton of mmr. And the ones who create many acc's hoping to calibrate higher are just life failures.

                                                                              MuLLi

                                                                                I can make a bet about smurf/alts appearing in my games. Let say I make bet there is at least average 1 smurf/alt per game nowadays at my games. People sometimes assume smurfs/alts are rare like 1 in 100 games but times have changed and every game is unfair means of MM now

                                                                                MuLLi

                                                                                  Really I have accepted this and stopped long time ago mmr grinding.

                                                                                  Problem for dota is new players will not continue playing because they can't evolve in fair games and they doesn't see any progress because every game is dictated by which team got better Smurf/alt

                                                                                  Marko Bulat

                                                                                    ^Thats bullshit mate, 5k players are literally 1% of the whole dota population, so to meet smurf in every game is highly unlikely, my brother is crusader he meets a legit smurf in every 10th game he plays.

                                                                                    You are legend 2, thats maximum current calibration and there is abundance of legend 2 accounts tossed around, they are very common and highly appealing to low player so many are bought by them for like 10$ each, so thats far worse problem in your bracket than smurfing.

                                                                                    JDF8

                                                                                      highly appealing to low player

                                                                                      Why would anyone buy a higher mmr account that’s still low skill games though, it’s not like you’re gonna play with pros.

                                                                                      You just get rekt by xXxth0tslayer69xXx and his radiance blademail kunkka or whatever random shit snowballs, complete chaos

                                                                                      Feachairu

                                                                                        there is not much of a matter if you meet a smurf,you still gotta learn how to beat them if you want to get 5k,for example you got destroyed by a 5k or 4k when u 3k legend guy

                                                                                        Feachairu

                                                                                          if you are talking about playing casually and meeting smurf then dont play ranked,if only unranked has unranked roles so these problems wont matter as much for casual players

                                                                                          Marko Bulat

                                                                                            @angry player
                                                                                            Dude i know what im talking about, i originaly made this account to give it to my brother, becuase he complains all the time that he is 3k but he cant win in his bracket because teammates are dogshit and pull him down, luckily after i calibrated it he didnt wanted it he just played party stack with us on it and guess what, we lost all of them because he cant carry his weight, but its party MMR so who cares, no harm done we needed 5th player anyway(you can check yourself "offlane or random" is my main acc).

                                                                                            Anyway there is tons of low MMR players with that attitude, they think they are wrongly put in their bracket and that they are at least legend skilled...

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                                                                                            Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                                                                                              @mr. Wheelchair
                                                                                              Ofc im referring to those life failures(4ks,5ks,6ks) who smurf in really low mmr brackets(<2.9k) just to feel proud of themselves for raping newbies.

                                                                                              Including those people who smurf to calibrate higher, how to get vhs? Omegalul

                                                                                              Marko Bulat

                                                                                                Including those people who smurf to calibrate higher, how to get vhs? Omegalul

                                                                                                They are harmless, they will forever be bad as people they play with and remain stuck sub 3k MMR, they cause secondary problem, they are the source from whom real smurfs get their accounts from, how else would a 5k player get 2k account? He cant calibrate that low its impossible, i got this account by the same means, my brother tried to get VHS, he played 100 turbo couldnt get it, so he said its ruined and i told him that it isnt and that Vavle has working algorithms that will determine your skill no matter how many idiots are in your team, he asked me to prove it and i got max calibration on it by stomping 9-1 playing positions 1 to 3.

                                                                                                Even after that he didnt budged he just shrugged and said "yeah ofc you are 5k im 3k(stucked in crusader LMAO)" i facepalmed and left the room... Do you have any idea how many players like that exists? Low accounts for smurfs to grab are infinite, every time on this dotabuff 5 daily "How to get VHS" threads pop out!

                                                                                                Quartermistress

                                                                                                  I use mine to practice my terrible mid pool

                                                                                                  qwerty

                                                                                                    I'd say that smurfs are the barrier for weak shits towards ranking up. If what they mean by 'fun' and 'enjoy' is by winning (not getting destroyed) they gotta earn it. The thing about dota is there are no choices to what the difficulty will be (i.e. easy, normal, hard), yes there will be choices but you must win in order to rank-up or be stuck in a rut. There's a reason only about 1-3% not sure? are immortals. They are not a fucking cry baby shits who complain just to complain. Fucking tired of the low ranks reason next. Let's say thay this fucking 'smurfing' issue got solved. Account boosting, smurfing gone. What's next, fuckers? The game is boring? Blame the win rate percentage? Blame every one in game bc they are all noobs, bc smurfs and boosters are taken care of? Fuck you. Shut up. You just reached your peak and improving won't take days or months. Keep on playing and break the v
                                                                                                    barrier.

                                                                                                    cartel

                                                                                                      ^you sir seem very angry

                                                                                                      qwerty

                                                                                                        It's just that pros also do that. Blame, abbandon, say that they're playing with a thrower. griefer (?), booster. All of the reasons to be in a bad mood, some live, while streaming. What I'm saying is that they are good, they know what they are saying. You could say that they are just not good in their attitude in particular. But in low ranks? Fucking hell. Low ranks and still have qualities like that? They are just trash, man. I'm not saying all low ranks, just the fucking ones whenever he doesn't get what he likes in a game, CHEATER, BOOSTER, FUCK MY BRACKET, SMURFING, LIES ABOUT BEING CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER PLAYERS EXPERIENCE TO JUSTIFY HIS/HER SAD ATTEMPT TO GET SYMPATHY. They spend a lot of time checking 'that' players performance, watch the replay, even. FUCKING WHY NOT JUST FOCUS ON THEIR OWN GAMEPLAY? Yes, there are boosters, but 1 out of 10 games? Idk, Idc. But if it ever comes down to 1 out 3 or 1 out of 5 then count me in. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that that is not going to be a problem.