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Rocket

    Dota is a rich and complex game. When you have a situation like lifestealer with 60% win rate, if you give the community a couple of weeks they will learn how to counter him (multiple unit heros, mass halberds etc.)

    Just nerfing anything the instant it becomes meta and momentarily imba makes it less of a game.

    /rant

    Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

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      poggies

        Remove spell immunity from jug and naix. Give them 80% status resist and +1 str gain and theres your fix

        Marko Bulat

          Noooo lets play against same OP boring shit for months, thats super fun!

          Also every hero has plenty of counters, problem is person who has 10th pick is gonna dictate the tempo of the game, 10th pick is just way too powerfull right now and that problem becomes more and more obvious from patch to patch.

          If your team doesnt have a last pick mid and he picks something easly counterable he is fucked, so he must improvise by picking some not really great pick but something that doesnt have hard counter. Thats the current problem with the game if theres any tbh!

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          Rocket

            That’s just your lack of imagination. After a few months sure a patch can get stale but lifestealer would’ve had a couple of weeks in the sun before falling back into the shadows.

            A couple of months of Midas gaming would’ve been fine and would’ve been countered by push strats.

            Decent balancing is done by letting the crowd find the counters and, once something appears uncounterable (hoho haha!) then change the game.

            Kotato

              ded game already and you complain, lmao

              Marko Bulat

                That’s just your lack of imagination. After a few months sure a patch can get stale but lifestealer would’ve had a couple of weeks in the sun before falling back into the shadows.

                I am sorry but you have just showed your lack of understanding of the game, they done nothing to lifestealer to make him out of the meta with this patch, they just made him less effective in lanning phase and now more heroes can effectively trade with him in lane, until this patch you could bully him out only with a weaver + something that trades well, CK or Windrunner or Ursa. Lifestealer can still do his thing he just isnt unstoppable anymore and that is called balance sir!

                Here Rocket i ruined lifestealer in this game becuase my hero trades better, but here you can see the real winner of this game and that is weaver! He was our 10th pick, he saw opponents team has 0 answer for him, picked weaver and he was unstopable! Thats the current problem with dota not heroes but fucking 10th pick, if i my team didnt had last pick we would probably lose the game.
                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4431674313

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                Cheap Laugh Guy

                  We did have two weeks. The winrate increased instead of dropping.

                  poggies

                    Problem with naix is you can’t pick a melee offlaner and the ranged hero needs to have a mobility spell. Also you need a bkb piercing support ult. AND high dmg right clicks to kill Naix later. Also in lane you should focus on denies and pulls rather than harass. Maybe only go for harras later in the game to set up kills at lvl 3/5/6.

                    Naix weakness is like any str tanky ass hero =shit at clearing waves split push him. He also struggles versus evasion. Unless it’s that radiance build where u should get pipes or hoods and try to burn his mana.

                    Silly meta slaves can’t come out with counters. Heck a drow lineup probably shits on naix

                    AnŦaiN

                      ^^^^U cant pick melee offlaner .
                      Lmao get ursa and see the magic .

                      Marko Bulat

                        Few melees can fuck him up, Ursa and CK can just yolo punch him, Abbadon and LC can dispel open wounds, Slark has essence shift and Slardar just bashes him to death, forgot Magnus, he cant really harrass him much but LS will never kill him in lane, so he can be there and just skewer every open wounds

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                        A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                          Few counters to naix- get heals and armor, get a bkb piercing disable, get mana drain and drain him out of mana, he is pretty useless without mana, get evasion, get disarm spells eh pangos, halberd, etc. Get hex blink and jump him while he is alone. Early push hg if he is going radiance build. Deny deny deny in lane and don't trade hits with him in lane. Pull your creep waves to neutrals. Try to kill his supports and ignore him if he already has become quite tank.
                          Accept that you can't win all the games against meta carry and try your best improving every game.

                          Murranji

                            "get heals and armor, get a bkb piercing disable, get mana drain and drain him out of mana, he is pretty useless without mana, get evasion, get disarm spells eh pangos, halberd, etc. Get hex blink and jump him while he is alone."

                            Yeah this is how you counter almost every hero. L.o.l.

                            ShiftingSkys

                              Idk Naix isn't that big of a deal. Offlane Bane Mirana, offlane Ursa SS. Off lane sven can he fuck him up. Hell I just played offlane sven vs LS last night and raped him.

                              Ayaneru   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                I don't see Naix as a OP hero at the moment.

                                Jugg is.

                                JDF8

                                  if ur saying u need a guaranteed 5 second stun (7 second at lvl 2 btw thanks enfeeble) to counter a hero thats a bit fucky. i get that banes good against ls and mirana supposedly is in lane but still

                                  ive played the ls sven matchup many times now and if ls brings good regen he should be fine in an even 1v1 or 2v2 matchup, let alone 2/3v1. the real problem with ls being too good imo was so many times ive seen brown boots poverty ls farm a 13 minute midas and then have a non garbage rad timing and snowball due to how fucking tanky and stupid he is

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                                  Peelioka

                                    None of the nerfs in that patch were too big, the purpose of the patch is to turn insta win heroes into good heroes. If anything it makes the game more fun for the general community.