I'm not sure how else they could design the system, to allow people to start fresh. If there's no starting ground, then the calibration games would probably be too much of a cluster in terms of skill, resulting in skewed scores. Unless they flatout gave you the option to reset your MMR, but then new players would get stomped even more than now.
So i played on a 5 man party with my rl friend and 3 guys that are kind of new. Its seems that it actually counts the skill level of your opponents. I ended with 15-0 and my friend 10-2 and he got a little less MMR ( 3000 ) i think.
wacoo3 hours ago
havoc u dont seem to understand how this works, I played support 6/10 games, like solo support. Yet I managed to get 5000+
Just accept that you are not good as you think you are.
you know that your rating is actually 95% based on your MMR from normal MM
or maybe you could say it's 100% because it's probably entirely the same algorithm and it's just showing the numbers now
im not gonna say something bad about the SA server but if anyone has the ticket for SEL and watched a game or two
it's actually fucking hilarious
played 10games... got 8victory and 2lost
and valve give a TMMR 3667, and i was in my 9th game with a TMMR 3641 after my victory i just won 26points so to be at 5500 pool table i just need to win 92 games and have 0 lost !!!!
TY VALVE FOR LET ME STUCK IN A STUPID ELO!
ps: my KDR in each match and hero
dp 10/11/18
dp 12/4/14
dp 19/6/15
dp 13/2/12
potm 13/10/20
dp 6/5/12
luna 10/4/6
pugna 7/6/14 < LOST
wr 3/5/8 < LOST
i actually got banned in the SEL channel because i was being a fucking annyoing retard molesting the admins
no wait, that wouldnt happen to me because im not an immature cunt like you
Saboia you alrdy have 700 games clocked in. Currently the only change they added was being able to see your MM. Those calibration games where really just to double check the rating you alrdy had prior to the patch
if your account is stuck at shit rating(in your eyes) start stacking or create smurf most of the time with good start you can reach 4/5k rating in few games Therses literally no other way to overcome rating unless you want to play for few weeks srsly before noticing any improvements
@sarkin
exatacly thats my points, ppl like me and you are stuck in low TIER cuz valve IS A SHITTIE!!!!
dude would be so easy if everyone started with the same points, if they are going to use the normal MMR why they called a "calibration of 10games"?
@Sampson ok so if i want to be at 5500 TIER ELO, i just need to win 92games and lose 0. Valve doesnt give prospect to ppl evoluted in ELO.
ps: i got a streak of 8wins and recived only 26points, so how valve expect me to up my ELO????
How exactly is it valves fault you are in the low tier?
you will never be a 5500 tier player because you where never good enough to be one........Valve is not keeping you down. If you where not where you should be your matches would not be as close as they are. If your MM is not changing much that means you are where you should be based on your skill level.
I don't know if I'm gonna play this anymore. I swear. I played 2 games, I won both of them but it's worse than regular matchmaking . At the moment i have a 4000 rank (after first game it was 3800) . For some reason my ranked matchmake matches aren't appearing on dotabuff so I cant link it but first game it was a stomp for us. I was clockwork solo offlane with 60 creeps at minute 10 and 3 kills, their creep took 1 tower because we didn't glif and score in the end was something like 8/42 for us, also there were stacks in both games I played solo, which I really don't like...I hate playing with/against stacks when I'm solo. Second game, someone on my team randoms enchantress and I ask if they can play her, if not I can take her. He said I can't play her someone swap and then someone else says I'll swap ( he hadn't picked a hero up to that point) so the enchant tells him to random and he will swap, to which I say , ok I'll pick a solo offlane and you go enchant jungle. He randoms a fucking silencer they swap and then he repicks enchant to come bot with a sand king.....after i told him and he wanted the swap...to which i went mad...then my razor mid wasn't leveling up static link against a sf, instead he was leveling up his 'e'. Still won the game, I basically carried but I was so frustrated...if that is the level of games.. no ty.
i got something around 3600 with solo queue what does this number mean? am i average or below average cause most ppl posting here got a lot more than what i got. a little help will be really appreciated
Vucc if you are actually carrying your team you will fight better and better opponents. Now if you 'think' you are and your MM stays the same you will stay where u are......Win games get better opponents its a simple concept.
if u got 1000 mmr and uncertainty is 500 u can go up to either 1500 or down to 500 or for example 1100 to 800 and vice versa those 10 matches are there to remove the uncertainty thingie and make sure u got ur accurate mmr altho it doesn't change that much during those 10 games of what ive noticed from my friends who already got 10+ games
" Currently the only change they added was being able to see your MM. Those calibration games where really just to double check the rating you alrdy had prior to the patch"
Yeah but dont you think that you should start from 0 when playing ranked matchmaking ? I mean why those calibration games if they are going to use our normal MMR for the first games ?
I played with a stack of kind of new players and we played against people really, i mean REALLY new to dota.
If everyone started with x rating then you would get matched with all kinds of players, from pros to noobs and it wouldn't really be fair for players who solo queue. They should take into account your previous rating, but the worst thing is that you're not really able to change it by much...
Dorkly if your MM is lower than you think it should be because of stacking with lower skilled players then it should be easy to win more games
for example you are put with all the 2000 rating players but you are actually a 4000 rating player your team should be at a advantage and win. If you think you are a better player then what MM gave you after the 10 matches all you have to do is play more matches and increase it
how the fuck did my mmr go down 200 points after this, i was 2-0 (the axe game was with a friend of mine so party queue, i felt like playing axe) in solo queue mode now im 2-1 after this qop game, had 1 ultra kill after buyback and 2 triples, only reason we were able to turtle as long as we did. I really don't understand how I could have done any better watch replay you will get what I mean.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/421444235
Hey Sampson. I get what you are saying. It's a simple concept but you don't understand what I meant. Matchmaking isn't doing a good job for me in the sense that I do not feel the games I'm playing are even. The problem is not me thinking that I'm the best on my team, because honestly that doesn't mean anything, you technically might be the best, there is at least a 5 in 1 chance you are the best player so it's no something so amusing. Your solution isn't good as well. By your definiton I have to play a carry or a mid semi carry in order to have the best chance of winning every game so I can play with better players, has it come to that ? Should I be forced to play a carry or mid every game? It just might be my luck but for now I'm having worse matches in ranked.
@Whodunit?
It's because your team was valued "the better team" on paper which means It had a better rank when the game started for example it had 4500. The oppossing team had a lower rank ( i don't know how much lower but probably significantly,) so when they won you lost a lot of points because the game expected you to win but you didnt. Also your uncertanty rating is still pretty high due to the low amount of games you've played thus loses and wins may affect your mmr points more than usual.
good supports can make shitty carries do well. so your whole 'do I have to play a carry to win' makes no sense. In public matches when one side gets a advantage they will snowball out of control and everyone will start blaming everyone else causing the chance of a comeback to be nearly impossible. So while the matches could have been even pick, lanes, teamwork etc can turn a fairly even match into a pubstomp in 1min.
competitive_rank: 3824
competitive_rank_uncertainty: 702
solo_competitive_rank: 3978
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 670
I'm not sure how else they could design the system, to allow people to start fresh. If there's no starting ground, then the calibration games would probably be too much of a cluster in terms of skill, resulting in skewed scores. Unless they flatout gave you the option to reset your MMR, but then new players would get stomped even more than now.
solo_competitive_rank: 5418
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 842
game 2
solo_competitive_rank: 5340
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 821
worse fucking game i ever had retards who can't lasthit as carry and having 2 support with queen of pain "ranked matchmaking" my ass
competitive_rank: 3394
competitive_rank_uncertainty: 737
So i played on a 5 man party with my rl friend and 3 guys that are kind of new. Its seems that it actually counts the skill level of your opponents. I ended with 15-0 and my friend 10-2 and he got a little less MMR ( 3000 ) i think.
Vaikiss`742 Doesn`t matter,if they play bad focus just on yourself,if you loss game and you were best in your team you can also get some mmr for loss.
I guess your KDR actually matters for ranking, I lost some when I won a game but had a bad score.
solo_competitive_rank: 4860
i guess its good for %52 winrate :D
My rating dropped after another win, and I played well (I think I ended 6/4/22 or something like that)
competitive_rank: 4498
competitive_rank_uncertainty: 718
calibration_games_remaining: 7
Has API been out for 19 hours now? Or is that just the default, non-updating dotabuff message?
Something like that
is there actually any support hero ONLY player higher then 3500?
there's support hero only players on the top tmmr teams, so why shouldn't there be any in ranked mm?
wacoo3 hours ago
havoc u dont seem to understand how this works, I played support 6/10 games, like solo support. Yet I managed to get 5000+
Just accept that you are not good as you think you are.
i start crying while playing my first game i dont know where are those people coming from cant have one normal fuckin game in year
you know that your rating is actually 95% based on your MMR from normal MM
or maybe you could say it's 100% because it's probably entirely the same algorithm and it's just showing the numbers now
im not gonna say something bad about the SA server but if anyone has the ticket for SEL and watched a game or two
it's actually fucking hilarious
played 10games... got 8victory and 2lost
and valve give a TMMR 3667, and i was in my 9th game with a TMMR 3641 after my victory i just won 26points so to be at 5500 pool table i just need to win 92 games and have 0 lost !!!!
TY VALVE FOR LET ME STUCK IN A STUPID ELO!
ps: my KDR in each match and hero
dp 10/11/18
dp 12/4/14
dp 19/6/15
dp 13/2/12
potm 13/10/20
dp 6/5/12
luna 10/4/6
pugna 7/6/14 < LOST
wr 3/5/8 < LOST
@fuckthezero
did you figure this shit out on your own ur so smart can i touch u ?
why did u bring up SEL? is that where u play to meet players to find comfort in your skill level?
i actually got banned in the SEL channel because i was being a fucking annyoing retard molesting the admins
no wait, that wouldnt happen to me because im not an immature cunt like you
Saboia you alrdy have 700 games clocked in. Currently the only change they added was being able to see your MM. Those calibration games where really just to double check the rating you alrdy had prior to the patch
please let me catch my breath
ok imdone just call ur isp and tell them to cancel ur subscription thanks
if your account is stuck at shit rating(in your eyes) start stacking or create smurf most of the time with good start you can reach 4/5k rating in few games Therses literally no other way to overcome rating unless you want to play for few weeks srsly before noticing any improvements
3683 -> 3707 -> 3745. 3 wins.
Guess I'm stuck in the shit tier.
@sarkin
exatacly thats my points, ppl like me and you are stuck in low TIER cuz valve IS A SHITTIE!!!!
dude would be so easy if everyone started with the same points, if they are going to use the normal MMR why they called a "calibration of 10games"?
@Sampson ok so if i want to be at 5500 TIER ELO, i just need to win 92games and lose 0. Valve doesnt give prospect to ppl evoluted in ELO.
ps: i got a streak of 8wins and recived only 26points, so how valve expect me to up my ELO????
after 3rd game
solo_competitive_rank: 5324
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 768
i don't get it why does ppls who stack gets to play against me solo queing thats complete bullsh1t
How exactly is it valves fault you are in the low tier?
you will never be a 5500 tier player because you where never good enough to be one........Valve is not keeping you down. If you where not where you should be your matches would not be as close as they are. If your MM is not changing much that means you are where you should be based on your skill level.
6012 rank seems very nice thx valve
solo_competitive_rank: 5315
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 725
4th game still getting matched vs stacks as solo dafuq is this bullshit
I don't know if I'm gonna play this anymore. I swear. I played 2 games, I won both of them but it's worse than regular matchmaking . At the moment i have a 4000 rank (after first game it was 3800) . For some reason my ranked matchmake matches aren't appearing on dotabuff so I cant link it but first game it was a stomp for us. I was clockwork solo offlane with 60 creeps at minute 10 and 3 kills, their creep took 1 tower because we didn't glif and score in the end was something like 8/42 for us, also there were stacks in both games I played solo, which I really don't like...I hate playing with/against stacks when I'm solo. Second game, someone on my team randoms enchantress and I ask if they can play her, if not I can take her. He said I can't play her someone swap and then someone else says I'll swap ( he hadn't picked a hero up to that point) so the enchant tells him to random and he will swap, to which I say , ok I'll pick a solo offlane and you go enchant jungle. He randoms a fucking silencer they swap and then he repicks enchant to come bot with a sand king.....after i told him and he wanted the swap...to which i went mad...then my razor mid wasn't leveling up static link against a sf, instead he was leveling up his 'e'. Still won the game, I basically carried but I was so frustrated...if that is the level of games.. no ty.
can anyone give an explanation for this mmr uncertainty thing ?
you cant swap and then repick this isnt dota 1
i seem to be stuck on 3800
nothing is changing for me but the number of RMM matches
i got something around 3600 with solo queue what does this number mean? am i average or below average cause most ppl posting here got a lot more than what i got. a little help will be really appreciated
Vucc if you are actually carrying your team you will fight better and better opponents. Now if you 'think' you are and your MM stays the same you will stay where u are......Win games get better opponents its a simple concept.
competitive_rank: 5679
competitive_rank_uncertainty: 738
calibration_games_remaining: 9
solo_competitive_rank: 5654
solo_competitive_rank_uncertainty: 753
solo_calibration_games_remaining: 9
this doesnt tell me anything without a ladder though
^ nice i wonder how high rated mason and his gay buddies are
:o holy shit mason is only 5295
@wei_
uncertainty thing means
if u got 1000 mmr and uncertainty is 500 u can go up to either 1500 or down to 500 or for example 1100 to 800 and vice versa those 10 matches are there to remove the uncertainty thingie and make sure u got ur accurate mmr altho it doesn't change that much during those 10 games of what ive noticed from my friends who already got 10+ games
" Currently the only change they added was being able to see your MM. Those calibration games where really just to double check the rating you alrdy had prior to the patch"
Yeah but dont you think that you should start from 0 when playing ranked matchmaking ? I mean why those calibration games if they are going to use our normal MMR for the first games ?
I played with a stack of kind of new players and we played against people really, i mean REALLY new to dota.
If everyone started with x rating then you would get matched with all kinds of players, from pros to noobs and it wouldn't really be fair for players who solo queue. They should take into account your previous rating, but the worst thing is that you're not really able to change it by much...
well if you are around 5k rating you might get to play with exceptional people like
http://dotabuff.com/players/96145596
http://dotabuff.com/players/116393901
(both in 1 game)
lold ^ cant say i am surprised
Dorkly if your MM is lower than you think it should be because of stacking with lower skilled players then it should be easy to win more games
for example you are put with all the 2000 rating players but you are actually a 4000 rating player your team should be at a advantage and win. If you think you are a better player then what MM gave you after the 10 matches all you have to do is play more matches and increase it
to be fair they were both on different teams and the 45% player won solo offlane while rushing midas into bfury and got boots like 20 min in
If you're 5k and in opposing team a 5k stacks with a 3k, in your team will be a 3k too!
im currently 4100 mmr with like 700 uncertainty, does that mean i cant get over 4800?
no it means you are unlikely to get past 4800 with your current skill level.........If you improve and get better you can get a higher rating
4,5k nothing special i guess
how the fuck did my mmr go down 200 points after this, i was 2-0 (the axe game was with a friend of mine so party queue, i felt like playing axe) in solo queue mode now im 2-1 after this qop game, had 1 ultra kill after buyback and 2 triples, only reason we were able to turtle as long as we did. I really don't understand how I could have done any better watch replay you will get what I mean.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/421444235
Hey Sampson. I get what you are saying. It's a simple concept but you don't understand what I meant. Matchmaking isn't doing a good job for me in the sense that I do not feel the games I'm playing are even. The problem is not me thinking that I'm the best on my team, because honestly that doesn't mean anything, you technically might be the best, there is at least a 5 in 1 chance you are the best player so it's no something so amusing. Your solution isn't good as well. By your definiton I have to play a carry or a mid semi carry in order to have the best chance of winning every game so I can play with better players, has it come to that ? Should I be forced to play a carry or mid every game? It just might be my luck but for now I'm having worse matches in ranked.
@Whodunit?
It's because your team was valued "the better team" on paper which means It had a better rank when the game started for example it had 4500. The oppossing team had a lower rank ( i don't know how much lower but probably significantly,) so when they won you lost a lot of points because the game expected you to win but you didnt. Also your uncertanty rating is still pretty high due to the low amount of games you've played thus loses and wins may affect your mmr points more than usual.
@Vuccappella
If you play only mid/carry, what are you going to do when your team already has a mid and a carry?
good supports can make shitty carries do well. so your whole 'do I have to play a carry to win' makes no sense. In public matches when one side gets a advantage they will snowball out of control and everyone will start blaming everyone else causing the chance of a comeback to be nearly impossible. So while the matches could have been even pick, lanes, teamwork etc can turn a fairly even match into a pubstomp in 1min.