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2ismorethan1

    "He is a good mid laner, a bit overrated in my opinion. But definitely ok to be in a mid position! To say that he is one of the best solo mids etc is really exageration, he was played like 0 times in a high level LAN, you need way more to comapre him to Shadow Fiend, Magnus or Puck." my sides

    CaneraX

      Agreed

      altskop

        Talking about zoning out an offlaner with the 1st skill - Beastmaster and Lone Druid are decent counters for it. I think Lycan might be too, but he is rarely played as an offlaner.

        Rubz

          Its hard to take this post seriously. People tried utility items on arc warden when he was first releashed like double shiva double hex and I can tell you its lacklustre. midas bot manta necrobook divine rapier refresher is what you need. Arc warden is the only hero in the game that can carry a rapier 80% risk free since his clone doesnt drop rapier on being killed. Just go for this build and take the enemy's base while they are foolishly fighting your team. With magnetic field necro and divine you break bases in seconds and beat the crap out of anyone trying to stop you. Youre main hero doesnt even need to be there to take the rax.

          kukuri

            With Flux, Spark Wraith and the copy, Zet will become a good roamer and be very helpful to mid-lane ganker. But he needs more mana pool and mana regeneration. So, Clarity, Null Talisman and Tango will be best for the beginning. Than Boots of speed, Arcane boots and Necronomicon. An ideal pusher and semi-support ganking Slark, Ursa and Huskar will be happy. Another build is Support, the goal is to increase the mana pool and use the good damage and short cooldown of 3rd skill the carry will have free farm and no problems with harass.

            KawaiiSocks

              There are several reasons why this is currently less viable than it was previously:
              1. It is Dota 1 - the skill level in a typical pub is really low and you have a lot more space to go all-in with "Double Midas" shenanigans. In Dota 2 it simply won't work - enemy team will aply enough pressure for you to consider using ultimate not to get extra 190 gold, but to actually do things.

              2. There are new cheap utility items in **6.84** - Glimmer Cape/Solar Crest. With this you can pretty much guarantee invulnerability on two of your cores.

              3. While Tempest Double illusion can take full advantage of a Divine Rapier, it is still a very easy target to kill - stats on Arc Warden are horrible and Magnetic Field only lasts 5 seconds at max level.

              4. Current meta is more about Spell Damage and Early fights. Can support Arc Warden counter it? Yes, double glimmer from a single hero can make a lot of difference. Can Core Arc do anything? There is magnetic field but your typical Lesh/Lina/Storm/Shadow Fiend/QoP have ways of dealing magical damage and are not as reliant on right clicks. Your typical AM/PL/Gyro (!!) simply don't care. Gyro will hit a different target and force you to eat the Flak no matter how much evasion you have. Other two have enough disengage potential.

              5. Splitpush is different - teams and even pub players now tend to take into account how close/far the lane is pushed to their highground/tower. A 20 second illusion, even with a Rapier can clear 2 waves at the very best. And only then will you get to a tower.
              There is a reason Furion/Tinker/Io+anything are not as potent.

              I might be completely wrong. The hero might get into the game with little to no nerfs and some professional player will wreck with him on his stream playing pos 1/2. The probability of that happening is really low, though. The game has evolved, the players have evolved. Double the utility from a single hero IMO > 100% damage buff.

              Captain Dawg

                You say multiple times that his stats are terrible, but Isnt his str and int stats good? Given, his agi stats are terrible and are his main, but the other two seem pretty good, in fact no other agi hero has starting str and int stats like that, and the gains are pretty good.

                I dont know a thing about how the hero will come out, but the first thing that came to mind when i saw his skill set would be indeed a support and get an urn asap. Necro sounds so good, i guess double force is cool too.

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                  " enemy team will aply enough pressure for you to consider using ultimate not to get extra 190 gold "
                  " 3. While Tempest Double illusion can take full advantage of a Divine Rapier, it is still a very easy target to kill - stats on Arc Warden are horrible and Magnetic Field only lasts 5 seconds at max level. "
                  " 5. Splitpush is different - teams and even pub players now tend to take into account how close/far the lane is pushed to their highground/tower. A 20 second illusion, even with a Rapier can clear 2 waves at the very best. And only then will you get to a tower. "

                  )))))))))))

                  why u talk about zet, if u even dont know how to play him

                  Notorious

                    I think Arc Warden can be a good MID laner or carry, anyway, a good core hero. Just because of his "ilusion", as a MID laner, he can make itens like vyse, dagon, shivas guarda and other intelligence itens, just like The puck itens. But, for all of this works, that hero needs a good protection, i mean, its very necessary a glimmers cape in The team, mekans, force staffs and other save itens, because if some hero like p.a, centaur and etc jump in Arc, hes a very easy kill. At least, try to imagine: a double vyse for disabling two important heroes, double shivas effect and dagons, its just amazing.

                    michimatsch

                      So much hate.

                      Notorious

                        Not as a carry, but as a MID laner like puck/tinker can works. Farm this core itens its not a problemas with a double midas, Arc will just need put The midas in his priority and play safe, The supports on his team will aways needs TP's for protection Arc from ganks and some save itens for him. When he finished this core itens, he just needs to focus and use it on The right guys, its not a good TF hero but in individual fights, Arc can maybe defeat alot of heroes, like tinker.

                        Zabiool

                          Midas, boots, tp boots, rapier rapier deso mkb :D

                          ymbt

                            this is CANCER

                            Baga

                              You have a good point. Old school players don't realise that his only strength lies in splitpushing and he is Ember Spirit level weak as a core in rightclick battles, especially against MKB carriers. People exaggerate a lot when they say how OP he is. If you want annoying splitpusher who relies on BoT, then you have Naga and she can farm way faster than him. In current meta he won't find as good niche as he would in 6.82 for example as splitpusher, because there is a lot of AoE magic damage: Lina, Lesh, Gyro all can easily deal with swarms he puts on towers, like Tempest Doubles and double Necro. Considering his stat growth (dude has one of the lowest Agility + Agility per level when his primary attribute is, you know, Agility), he and his clones won't be able to survive for too long. His starting Strength, however, is far from terrible and this allows him to take some early fight, which he is excellent at.

                              KawaiiSocks

                                Don't forget about 0 starting armour, though. Stats are not only attributes, but misc also things like MS/Armour/BAT/tange etc.
                                He does have extra 25 range, but it is hardly compensating for squishiness to physical, low MS and 0.4 turn rate. Low turn rate does not allow hit to be as effective at kiting in the later stages, which is kind of big deal on a ranged hero.

                                [TSTH] TyranoRAWR!

                                  LAwl the final hero is gonna be nerfed

                                  Christian Brutal Sniper

                                    Lol still not given up on the stupid dagon oracle hate

                                    SalmonmanAK

                                      what is that mana cost on the spark wraith?

                                      assboy

                                        I'm sure the person who wrote this post doesn't even know how to play Zet.
                                        Support Zet is not gonna work rofl

                                        Radec

                                          Dota 2 Wiki says he starts with 0.1 armor

                                          GM_Kappablanca

                                            so what if u go for that naga radiance manta octarine build on him? seems with his traps he can make it tough for enemy team to push tower while he can be across the map splitpushing. its my best take on a core Arc Warden.
                                            Also u guys are really hating on necrobook. double dagon double shiva double midas is all crap. the single strongest way of playing this hero imho will be as a support with double necrobook.
                                            Beyond that i agree he wont see to much play. People lower than 5 k are mechanically limited (someone might play a good storm or slark ok..) and cant micro at all which is essential for using zet to his full potential.

                                            joe many liberals

                                              Do mines count as enemy units? Cos techies would counter his first skill if so haha

                                              what? ho shit ho fuck

                                                if he's "lanes mine" have a aoe he would be able to farm stack and farm faster in general it could be a good buff.

                                                Yoshida Saki 行方不明

                                                  I hate going back to dotA to play these awsome heroes because of the unbelievable delay. Back in the da i tought it was my internet or something but even now its totally unplayable. STILL i love stealing his ultimate with rubick

                                                  I wonder the possibilities with refresher on this hero

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                                                  Scorpigeon

                                                    I've been waiting for this to come, if played well its a cancer...

                                                    IU[이지은]

                                                      ARC WARDEN WOULDN'T BE ADDED BEFORE PIT LORD CUMMING !! WHO THE FUCK GRANTS YOU ARC WARDEN WILL BE ADDED SOONER!??

                                                      Clusterfuck

                                                        i prefer pitlord/abbyssal pitlord over arc warden. due to the ultimate abilty utility, i know double tempest is a neat ult that give a lot of pottential but compare to pitlord the io like ult that could teleport all allies near you to other heroes across the map is so pottent that really could turn the table.