General DiscussionPlayers are too rigid?

There are two things you can do. Standard, or something interesting/different that makes sense at least in theory. You've picked a 2-1-2 lineup, no one who plays -cm mode wants to play 2-1-2. I'd probably leave the game immediately after a draft like that.

You should have focused on a particular strat, so either an AA + Weaver + 1 safelane tri or an offensive tri w/Tuskar + CW + 1 and let QoP mid and weaver solo safelane. Even though its not optimal, playing 3-1-1 with AA up in the offensive tri would have made some sense.

A tuskar + CW offensive dual lane is garbage - although it comes down to the supports that PL has. The two need a few levels before they get really nasty - which makes them really good at safelane tris OR an offensive trilane where they can keep their pull ward up and have some control over the creep wave.

It was CW+Tuskar safelane since LoA+Weaver is a popular choice against trilanes nowadays.

2-1-2 does work, albeit not all the time. This was a case where it was definitely viable.

Your mistake was:

"I solo qued into cm mode"...I realize you don't want to hear it but...yes that is why this happened. Play CD. It is far far better. Pubs can't do cm mode, certainly not in solo que. For a real CM mode game you need a captain that knows what the team can play. Its just dumb to try it otherwise.

This is nothing new Dorothy ...... there are a lot of assholes in this game. The other day someone picks windrunner and claims that he wants mid .... then i guy picks puck and goes mid anyway without giving a fuck about windrunner ... then windrunner starts to feed :)

So i count 2 assholes here ... windrunner for being like a child and puck for ignoring the entire team.

go play on ixdl if u want cm.

i que in solo once got vilat on my team ofc we lost due to the fact vilat felt upset about draft not being same as meta back then so he farmed ns mid til enemy ended game at 40minutes in the end we all agreed it would be easy win if vilat wouldnt go full retard

What hero is LoA? I don't see any 'L' heros that fit that acronym.

it's abadoon - lord of avernus

I don't see why you couldn't have just swapped weaver to the safe lane for a tri and abadon offlane solo and made everyone happy.

Because those are absolutely terrible lanes...

wtf is lao ?

It probably also doesn't help that you only drafted one stun, two if you count tuskar ult, honestly where did you skip the point that stuns/cc wins games (more often true than not in pubs).

Vaikiss are u new? loa = abaddon

Chill, i had today a game, where death prophet from the start said she will do nothing but farm a rapier (she said that to both sides). When she got it, she died and gave it to enemy carry. Throughout the whole game we asked her to help us or join just ONE teamfight. After that i watched the replay to see why would anyone want to ruin the game and to my surprise- there was no reason at all.

There are people who simply are fucking idiots, who purposely do nasty thing, because this way they feel valid, they feel important. In your case- a selfish, ignorant brat not capable of comprehending what this all is about. I feel your pain man.

@Canadian, lineups are not set in stone. Implying a lineup isn't good because of lack of stuns isn't a very strong argument. The goal was early aggression and snowballing against heroes weak in the early phase. Tuskar has incredible CC with snowball and his sigil. Technically, its also impossible to survive him + centaur combo until late game or bkb. And bkb pl/furion?? Good for them if they decide to delay all their items. Cw's ulti also provides mobility to extremely hard to kill heroes. Weaver, LoA, QoP.

I know it might seem like a shallow lineup initially but it does have quite a bit of synergy. The weakness of the lineup is the lack of lategame or some wombo combo ultimates and once people get BKB its weak. But like I said, it was against late game split pushers who did not suit BKB, in which case, it was a situation where it was very, very, veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery viable.

@Chill, that dp is extreme. And weird. I guess it sucks for us that Dota2 has quite a bag of douchebags in its community. Dumb douchebags.

@Chill and @Dorothy:

exactly. this is a game. and people on the internet are mental. just try not to take it too seriously.

I wouldn't mind if you said what the other three heroes they picked were besides the PL/Furion so I could get a better estimation of your lineup vs theirs, saying they had a furion/PL really doesn't give me the whole story. Better yet just link the dotabuff match or something. I don't just say a lack of stuns means a lineup is poor but you've got two heroes (the ones you've told me anyways) that thrive on scenarios with a lack of cc at all stages of the game.

I get that you drafted a team focused on early aggression, but you still have to take into account a "What if this strategy goes wrong" scenario (though I'd say rarely do you have a Captain that tries to consider multiple scenarios in a given game). Im glad you're aware of the limitations of your own strategy though. But when you think "Im facing late game split pushers" and yes PL is a late game pusher but you're ignoring that his early game isn't all that weak (4.2 agi gain per level is disgusting and Drums/Diffusal is quite potent not to mention spirit lance).

So you have a team not that good at locking down heroes that have escapes because of the limited CC (PL, tree sprout/port). Also you ignore that people don't just kill the Sigil (I also forgot TUSK snowball but I consider it unreliable cc (I guess in pubs people don't know how to move/juke or something)).

But it honestly boils down to you telling me what the three other heroes were so I could see how the lineups go against each other not ("I has these 5 heroes I think are good vs pl/furion!!) cause if they drafted like PL/Kotl bot lane then no amount of abaddon shields will stop constant spirit lancing to the face.