Nobody knows how the increase/decrease in MMR is computed at the moment, but losing a game will most definitely decrease your ranking by some amount. If your focus to improving is KDA, then I doubt you're doing a good job.
yea the people focusing on their own individual scores rather than the teams are usually holding the team back
For now I think it's quite accurate. At least in my case.
- Won game but rank went down - I played like shit, was 0-5-0 with tiny at min 15, but finished the game 7-5-6 something because my team carried me. Or opponents thrown, whatever :P
- Lost game but rank went up - I played jakiro, I think everyone played ok, except pudge who was complaining about lag but was actually really terrible! Against a rubick he never used rot after hook.
Denies, last hits, xpm, gpm, and gold net worth are all taken into account, along with your KDA, and high/low uncertainty..
I believe it's then matched against the current aggregate scores for that particular hero. But that's just my theory.
You can get more information from http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/matchmaking/.
@6_din_49 If what you said is true, then the ratings are reliable in the sense that they measure a player's individual contribution rather than just wins/losses.
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if your theory was right the overall MMR would have no meaning at all, so I guess it is definitely not like u say
Would just not be enough. You can reach high Deny-numbers for example with bad plays (your team wants to push), heroes can be played as different roles like windrunner, alchemist, most supports can be played mid, etc...
A support can steal farm and netherheless buy wards and is the best of the game? Stuff like this, it's hard to make a really good ranking system.
"Dota 2 uses standard techniques to quantify and track player skill. We assign each player an MMR, which is a summary metric that quantifies your skill at Dota 2. After each match, we update your MMR based on what happened in that match. In general, when you win, your MMR will go up, and when you lose, your MMR will go down. Win/loss is the primary criteria used to update MMR, but individual performance also plays a role, especially when our uncertainty about your MMR is high. It is possible for an individual MMR to increase after a loss or decrease after a win, but in general the winning team’s average MMR will increase and the losing team’s MMR will decrease."
Not sure how they measure skill, but last hits alone do not seem to matter that much.
My last game: http://dotabuff.com/matches/421414440
33 last hits in 37 minutes with riki, 17-5-12, rank went up 55 points.
they stated that winning or losing is the most important in determining if your MM goes up BUT it also takes into consideration other stats
How do you suppose they measure 'individual performance' without examining past hero performance?
It would be entirely inaccurate to set the same expectations for all roles in the game.
Either they set expectations based on roles, or they are basing it on past aggregate scores of a particular hero you play in a match.
If it's not done this way, then I have no idea how they could measure 'individual performance'.
Sampson
2 hours ago
yea the people focusing on their own individual scores rather than the teams are usually holding the team back
This is kind of true there so much people that give up the game after only a 10-5 score and focus only to their own score and never join fights... and then brag their own score to tell that they are better when all they did was a few ks.
It seems kinda erratic at the moment.
Take this game for instance: http://dotabuff.com/matches/421711926
I was as hard support as it gets, bought courier, most of the wards (legion was secondary support), constant dusts and sentries + gem for weaver/mirana ult, and I finish with what Id say is quite clearly the best stats on my team.
However, I lost 25 ranking from this match, which just seems completely unfair. I dont understand what more I could have done in this particular game, and if I get punished in such a game then the system isnt working as it should.
The good thing about ranking becoming viewable like this is that there will probably be more "bug" reports on dev.dota2.com when people get unfair ranking results after games, which in turn will make them tweak the system
Im around 3900 rating btw.
I feel like it is highly unfair to have both solo quers and party quers being able to play against each other, it realistically pits planned out parties with coordination against people who don't fare as well with people they haven't played with before, it almost demands more individual game play and you can get many idiots or trolls in your team who don't care about winning.
Stacking doesnt always mean good play, like one of my friends loses all his games if hes in a 5stack with us worse players. If he stacks wih others on his lvl its fine but we all 4 get our corrected mmr soo high couse of stacking with a far better player, if we get solo players in enemy we are screwd... against other stacks we have higher wr. And his ability to lead the team doesnt always enough.. i try to do what he says and fail (get outplayed by better opponents), some think they know better and do their own thing and fail team strat by this...
I hope visible rating will help stacks determibe whos the best player and make people want to listen more... so the estimated mmr will be accurate...
go back to school and ask them to teach u thing called "common sense"
Anyone got any idea whats decent MMR? I know in HoN you start with 1500, but here I have no clue really.
It depends on what you mean by decent. Are you satisfied with just being better than 50% of the players? Then 2250 might be good for you. The following distribution held for the old system and these numbers probably hold for the new system as well.
10% 1500
25% 2000
50% 2250
75% 2731
90% 3200
95% 3900
99% 4100
^Top 90% of players might only mean ~ top 50% of games because better players play more. They should do a distribution for %games ... but that might make more people sad that they're below average.
@krkshka
I didn't understand that percentages quite well, my rating right now is at 4098, so what the 99% means? I'm better than 99% of dota players ? lol
krkshkas numbers are not valid for ranked mmr, it is expected that mmr there will be generally higher. From the few posts on various forums and reddit, it seems that 4k is above average, but not the top. I have seen some rumors about Dendi and Merlini having ~5.5k mmr, which in my opinion could be the truth.
One thing I noticed.. Played a good even game.. won 55-60 mmr.
Lost a winnable game lost 40-50mmr. Win a Very easy MMR game 20-30 mmr.
So yea. Don't lose to noobs you will eventually hit elo hell? When you're stack to win vs. a noob team you gain very little MMR, but on even and stacked team you will gain more. BTW why did they F****N stop SOLO RANKED games? it was actually FAIR?
my first 10 matches in ranked games were rly good i won 8 out of 10 of those, and some games were really hard. but after those 10 matches all i get is feeders and quiters , and doesnt matter how good i play how awesome is my KDA my rank continues to decrease
and theres nothing i can do about it. Thing is broken ,50% chance of winning, nope just have random wins/loses and your skill will barely influence your MMR.
@Ragnar Lothbrok - i went and check out your first 10 ranked games cause i was interested in what the problem is, and i figure it out, that you actually won 5 and lost 5. I also think that most of the games you played well you won and those which you played bad you lost. I might be wrong, but there's not a lot wrong with matchmaking. Anyway - games aren't won by solo performance (at least not in most cases), but by good teamplay. And every game is a new one - if you drag too much hate and frustration with you, there is a good chance you will lose another one :) Just take this as a friendly advice.
And to 阿力 - Dota is a team game which consist of 5 players on each side. Unless you are way better then your ratings indicate, you cant just win by yourself.
if u play one of your favorite heroes, and u win, ur mmr dont go up much. say if u play 50 games of SF and 1 game of chen, if u won with SF, it goes up a little, if u won with chen, it goes up a lot
MMR is quite unusual,I think it doesnt depend on Win/Lose factor,I mean,on party MMR I had like 3 wins and 7 losses,on Solo MMR I got about 8 wins and 2 losses,and I had 3800 on party,and 3600 on Solo,so it doesnt mean anything,I think that it depends on wins or losses once your rank is set,and you go higher or lower(you will stay on your first formed rank anyway since everyone playing pubs is about on 50%). I think its pretty hard to go above 50%,I did it for a few months but while stacking with my friends and playing CM,we grew as a team and won aproximelty about 70% of cms,then some of them went on college,and i returned to my 50% win rate very fast :)
When u play in a party, the logarithmic changes, it increases ur MMR because players usually perform better when playing with friends.
And I noticed that valve lied, they said that ur MMR might increase after a loss where u performed well, that never happens, I played a couple of games with my friend, me and him gained the same amount of points although he performed much worse than me.
I don't if it is related to being in the same party, that is all the party players gain or lose same amount of ratings.
I put it simply for you. you win you get + mmr, you lose you get - mmr. easy as 123 or abc. dunno where people get the bs that kda affects the mmr. From my experience it doesn't change anything only win/ lose are factors and couldn't care less as long as team winnings. people who care too much about their own stats usually don't help team out much.
feeding happens ...check this game http://dotabuff.com/matches/431339474 ...they all bought dagon and focussed me xd ..invoker was level 11 when i was level 5. i didnt play for some time and saw all their ganks to late .
My MMR change every match for 20-28 points... If i win, MMR rise and if i lose MMR go down. I never gain more than 28 points, and sometimes i dominated the match.
Look at this match: http://dotabuff.com/matches/440659421 I was the only support, I bought every ward, sentry and dust, i bought the courrier and the flying courrier at min 3 too. We lost cause bot and mid fed, but I have the best score of the team.... I lost 26 points for this..This is unfair in my opinion, we don't lost 'cause of me and with this match I can say that this rank is low for me but i can't increase my rank because people make me lose.
If you are gaining more than 20-30 mmr during a win, losing more than that in a loss, or gaining during a loss and losing during a win it's likely that you are not being properly matched, ie the system hasn't figured out where you rank yet and your uncertainty is still high. If you win 50 pts from a win you probably beat a bunch of players the system didn't think you should be able to beat (higher rated than you) so it adjusted you a ton and now you're more properly rated.
I have always lose 18-25 pts losing a match and won 18-25 winning, doesn't matter if I dominated in a loss/win or screwed the pooch. Always the same. It pretty much has me pegged. Keep playing and your rating will sort itself out as well.
I lose min 28pts max 34. When I win, I win max 24pts. Anyways what dota 2 needs is a personal banlist for all users. We have all had games where we dont want to play with terrible trash goat dota players. Its time we all are given a personal banlist in which we can use to filter out the welfare of dota 2 aka Mcdonalds employees from playing in our games.
Well this is just a joke....
My last game:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/462244049
According to this:
The discrepancy between experience (measured by the number of games played) between the least experienced player and the most experienced player is minimized. More on this below. (http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/matchmaking/)
Just look at my team, i am the only one that is higher then level 20 on profile (and i am 96 for the moment). I dont say i played amazing this game or anything but clock in my team was totaly useless... the two i could check on the other team was between 70 and 110.
Experiences doesn't matter VALVE LAIRS!!!!
The game is unforgiving. When someone abandons and you are forced to fight 3 vs 5 and even if you performed as best as possible in your team you still lose points. After winning 8 out of 10, I now lost 3 in a row and lost 80+ points. Last games were a total desaster and my team from commendments and from wins looked more experienced but it was a false hope :(
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Hello, not here to brag about my mmr,
Had a ranked mmr game where we lost, 2 people on my team we're complete idiots, end of game having "5/11/10" and "3/13/10"
Whereas me and 2 other guys tried to keep our performance up, my kda"6/5/17"
Using the console thingy command, my mmr drops by 22. I don't understand this.