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General DiscussionOutworld Devourer vs Alchemist mid - how to win (as OD) ?

Outworld Devourer vs Alchemist mid - how to win (as OD) ? in General Discussion
гриндр

    Is there anyone who won mid against Alch as OD ? Won without ganks. 1v1 match up vs Alch with soulring. Is it possible ? I've created second topic, coz i didn't get replies that would satisfy me.

    beld

      how do u even lose that matchup?

      гриндр

        He spams acid. Acid takes so much hp from me. I prison him, he is constantly using soulring to replenish mana. I was so zoned out that i need to lh under my own tower & it was quite difficult. Using prison on him after nerf was also pretty difficult.

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        Emilimia

          Spam w
          Auto attack alch a few times
          get 6
          hit R
          win

          Neme

            OD got nerfed, acid spam can hurt a lot, voila, he lost it.

            Luxalpa, Tail of Devastation

              The nerf doesn't affect the matchup. OD is just horribly overrated.
              It was never possible to win that matchup with OD unless the Alchemist doesn't use his Acid Spray.

              However, just do it like this:
              Ignore the Alchemist completely, try to farm under your tower to get your items.
              It's basically what OD does anyway. OD doesn't usually win mid by kills except the enemy is a retard. Either he wins by last hits, or he only gets most of the last hits, which should still be sufficient to own mid game.

              Just don't overrate OD and you'll be fine.
              And don't auto attack Alch, he will heal all of it anyway.
              At level 6 you can try to use Astral combo to kill him. But I wouldn't count on it (Astral combo only works when the enemy mid is an idiot, i.e. still goes back to lane while he has 3 Astral stacks already).

              Neme

                The nerf doesn't affect the matchup ? Lowering the range of astral, means you need to be closer to use it? It is nerf?

                Luxalpa, Tail of Devastation

                  Lowering by 50 from 550 to 500. I played OD for 3000 games, and I haven't even noticed it.

                  beld

                    oh god smaug
                    your nickname has such a horrible memory for me
                    http://dotabuff.com/matches/517945234

                    Luxalpa, Tail of Devastation

                      ^ You have horrible memory for me.
                      Let's see:
                      Damage Dealed
                      Me: 21.1k (on Semi-Carry)
                      You: 4.5k (on Hard-Carry)

                      I suggest you stop posting in this forum.
                      I rarely see such a horrible Anti Mage.
                      The only thing that makes this worse is that you are blaming me for that Lion intentional feeding!!
                      I was exceedingly friendly towards you within the game. And this is all you come with?

                      Humans are all the same! Pathetic beings!!

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                      Quick maffs

                        Just do your typical job and last hit while you ignore the rest of the game get last hits and shit and let him get the runes you cant reallly contest

                        imbaPower

                          If you won't go for rune,go for bottlecrow maybe.And at start u could start with 3 branches which goes to wand later because he spams a lot of acids.You would get faster bottle with 3 branch + one tango i guess.If you need extra regen,you could take it while you are bottlecrowing.

                          beld

                            maybe i shouldve added a smiley
                            you interpret way too much in my statement, never said it was your fault
                            but if u wanna flame me for having less dmg dealt than a phoenix as an am in this specific game i guess ur a tard lol

                            Emilimia


                              Smaug wins

                              Hopeless

                                why did you make another thread imprecis

                                Luxalpa, Tail of Devastation

                                  "but if u wanna flame me for having less dmg dealt than a phoenix as an am in this specific game i guess ur a tard lol"

                                  Yea, it's not like I dealed more than 4x of the damage you did. And what else did you do as anti mage? Stunning them? Hardly.
                                  I crippled their attack speed. I stunned them. I burned them.
                                  I am king under the mountain!