General DiscussionVoid Tha Game Changa

This must be really low tier... Radiant has 0 ganking power yet void can only farm 2 items in 50 minutes :/

void was actually just really really bad... i know it sounds hard to believe... but he decided to make a Battlefury AFTER the mjolinir and i begged him not to.. im pretty sure he was muted ? but idk he spent literally 75% time in jungle even when top \mid \ bot were clear if we were pushing out and stuff and he didnt really.. "help" in team fights

he was the other teams best player.. watched him dive into three people twice pre level 7..

3k bracket, how adorable

battlefuries everywhere

No, its just low tier. item and skill builds throughout most of the players was garbage. i got ticked off the most by nasal goo level 1 on BB and battlefury on juggernaut.

So ticked off he had to write 2 posts.

Pero Wink, tengo que preguntar, [ESP*] es para España?

^^If you seriously think level 1 goo is garbage, then you gotta learn some game sense as well.

You get lv1 goo if you want to get first blood in a chase.

idk level 1 goo was a decent go ahead for jugg to dive naga early.. just saying it looked bad at first but worked out ok for the best for his team. though idk if i wouldnt get quills till 4..

What is it with the bracket bias seriously ? Like i get it im not at 5 k like all you self proclaimed gods that like to sit on dota buff and talk down on people i come on this site to get a laugh and learn stuff and vent not to be talked down on by douche bags with comments like "3k bracket how adorable" What im trying to say is. go fuck your self

yeah they got first blood on naga..

Why is BB (who clearly isnt supporting) in the same lane as juggernaut...?

@guiri
I dont speak your language, wtf is wrong with you that makes you think i speak it? ESP is a clan name, not espaniol. I put 2 comments because my phone is being stupid and didnt display the first comment

Because their picks suck and that lane actually still makes a slight bit of sense.

^which just backs up the original statement that this is low tier if they cant even pick proper lanes

also regardless of lanes and nasal goo, the item builds and other hero skill builds were terrifying

IM looking at the game right now.. I feel like Item builds being terrifying is a pretty strong descriptor..the only real shaky ones i think are the es going for ulti scepter and then refresher... though its not like its HORRIBLE and the Naga Linkens And the Lack of MoM on void...

Wink, any need to be an asshole about it? It's not exactly an outrageous claim when ESP is the abbreviated form of España.

yeah idk this forum is always so damned hostile it seems theres like a small group thats not nasty all the time and just a bunch of trolls

Ah i take back my previous statement didnt notice aghs on necro thats pretty ballin i must say.. Lol

ES's build was perfectly normal, Naga's build was fine, Void's build was terrible. But you seem to be missing a lot.

Radiant has 2 vlads offerings.

Only 1 person bought BKB on radiant, when dire has an earthshaker AND a lich

Nobody bought BKB on dire, when radiant has necro and Kunkka

jugg went s&y instead of manta

pa went treads

jugg bfury

kunkka bfury

early levels on heartstopper aura on necro

bb no quills until level 4

DP no silence until level 8

DP not maxing witchcraft first

void's entire skill build

naga not getting net until level 4

naga getting illusions at level 2

DP has less than 2k tower damage

everyone except for kunkka has depressing tower damage, creeps literally did most of the pushing

I never said the game is high level but neither level 1 goo nor jugg BF has ever been a TERRIBLE thing. They may not be the best thing ever, but they are not terrible by any means. Dagon Jugg and level 1 stats BB would be terrible.

BB getting level 1 quills offers more damage (as well as the fact that its aoe) for a first blood kill. Bfury on jugg is terrible for several reasons, first of all it costs more than a desolator, so you may as well get a desolator. Second, the cleave is useless because its for farming or mass crits (which you dont have) so you shouldnt be getting it for cleave on jugg. Third of all, it delays your drums and aghs. Fourth, the mana and hp regen is unnecessary if you get drums and vlads. fifth, the damage is subpar, you may as well get a radiance (also bad item on jugg) if you want aoe damage so much.

Someone has security issues.

Because more damage is always better than a ~20 slow and - armor right? And dat +5 damage from Deso sure means a lot. And look, it's 50 gold cheaper. 50 GOLD MAN. And yeah dude cleave is definetely useless. Also you are supposed to get it after Drums anyway. Only reason Jugg shouldn't get a BF is either there are better choices (only depending on the game) or because you don't want to take the game late.

@sam, people like ESP WINK think there's only certain ways to play a game and any deviance from his current generation dota 2 meta means NOOB in his eyes.

Not everyone does stacks
Not everyone gets a good team
Not all lanes turn out to be perfect

when u try and identify the source(s) of a loss/win in something with a lot of complex variables like dota, at least put in some verifiable evidence bro or good reasoning. some of the things u listed could have no/little correlation to what happened.

+5 damage from deso AND armor reduction, which is huge when taking out towers (which you should be doing as juggernaut).

And yeah there are certain ways to play the game. there are definitely options, but you shouldnt make retarded choices like mjolnir then battlefury on faceless void. builds like aghs + refresher on juggernaut are out of the meta, but are pretty cool and can actually work.

but when you see someone get stupid items, you cant blindly agree with the person's bad choices because "out of meta doesnt mean bad". There is a meta for a reason, and the meta changes over time, but you aren't gonna go dagon + ethereal phantom assassin

there are so many scenarios where i've had to use/want to use certain skill builds/item builds to adapt to what's being presented (enemy heroes)

that do not fit the "recommended build or the new meta"

last game i was 7/0/10 as abba, and I'm not always going to be the super nice guy, but i supported somewhat (mek/pipe)

but at the start of the game when creeps came out, i already had people bitching at me for buying sage mask/tango/branch/branch/clarity, even though all those items made my game and my teammates game go perfectly well

i'm just saying there's much more to it then just, "oh thats wrong because they went this build and that tells me everything".

i dont follow builds, i follow situations, but i cannot picture a situation where you ever need a bfury on jugg over another item

a battle fury in 14 minutes or less will propel you much faster into your cores long term

^ Requires an awesome sauce support though which indicates that is not the case due to the "CORE" BF used characters being sub par on w/l %'s (PA/JUGG/Faceless/blablabla).

Hard to find a support that aggro's enemy heros out of the lane, can do it without feeding, while allowing you to last hit. Oh wait thats me! I'm an awesome support that does that. Oh wait when I do that i see those guys didn't grab a quelling blade and can't last hit without it. Oh well GG.

^ and then u lower creep HP to certain threshold at tower, so that they can last hit and of course miss, and then get mad at you for "taking their cs"

What's wroing with s&y on jug over manta? I didn't think manta was any good on him (he doesn't really benefit illusions).

i was never really a fan of s&y on many heroes....

But jug I think it makes sense, sange and yasha gives you more dmg than manta (though less raw agi), more move speed, more hp, which is a big deal since his heal totem is %hp based. The snare is just gravy. Manta only makes sense if the use can get you out of crap which jug doesn't need since he has magic immune already, or if the illusions benefit you which they don't do much for jug having no real passives for them or massive stat growth for them. I don't like manta at all on him, love s&y.

well for certain heroes, i would build yasha and just leave it as yasha until late game (but would try to end mid game)

illusions crit as well as really benefit from your other core items like deso and bfly, also more stats than s&y.

depends on lineup

i guess

i dont see jugg benefiting as much as other heroes and by the time he has the money for that i'd rather save for deso

and as late game items i find i might get it last

i generally go phase -> drums -> aghs -> yasha -> deso -> bfly -> manta and then i sell the phase for bots and sell the drums for abyssal