General DiscussionThoughts on TB Stomping?

learn from masta zenoth

play it like a lycan, easy win, just hope as for every single other wood, that no other guy in your team is doing absurd feeding

I've come to the conclusion that TB is OP
http://dotabuff.com/matches/556041078

Maybe a tad.

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i have come to the conclusion you're playing in the 2k trashbracket

I'm in 2k trashbracket, but I farm wins. Started here with around a 45 w/l, look where i am now

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isnt ursa like the most op hero in ur bracket?

I can't even imagine anyone having the brain to deal with it tbh.

@ Muted for 168 hours

Practice in bot matches doing some lycan/ursa or other jungle builds and just do tower crusher guys in that bracket. I did lycan in all pick for a week and got 250 mmr points solo queue ez that way. Ez to do but read some guides on here on what to do, timing, good gold farm time/exp when to rosh etc.

You know, Smoke of deceit is never used at that bracket i bet either when I played with some 1.5k people in my friends list. They called me a "hacker" on the opposite team when I just bum rushed them with lycan and killed roshan 9 min in with a smoke.... so get creative!

2k bracket is NOT TRASH! I've played here and have had lots of fun here. Your teammates are usually NOT retarded, and the games are pretty fun and fair! Fucking everyone who says 2k is "trashbracket" is honestly retarded...

@Fnatic.Blunt
isnt CM like the most op hero in ur bracket?

I can't even imagine anyone having the brain to deal with it tbh.

no cm is not the most op hero and yes, your teammates & enemy are retarded in the eyes of someone who has skill. You simply are so bad you are not able to see it.

If anyone in the 5k bracket would ever build like that pl for example, he would get flamed and reported.

also:
if you try to troll someone with knowledge of a game you clearly don't have, then your just showing how retarded you are.

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"You simply lack are so bad you are not able to see it." What the actual fuck?

English is not my native tongue but hey, any chance to bother Blunt is always welcome :D

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its my ruskilish

I agree that pl build was pretty retarded

hes not referring to the quality of the games being bad, hes saying the actual gameplay levels are really low in every part of the game. but not like it really matters as long as ur having fun.

If you enjoy the game, then this is it for you. But from a view of a lot more skilled player - yes, 2k bracket does really suck in any aspect of play. Same goes for 4k, if you're 6k player. Of course in smaller amount, but still.

About TB - from my point of view he IS OP. Ilussions are way too strong and hard to deal with, especially after manta comes in play. Same goes for INSANELY high armor and damage. If you dont gank him quickly, then its probably game over. Presuming, it's played by a player who knows what he's doing.

1. Pick TB
2. Go mid
3. Hit level 7
4. Destroy all towers
5. ???
6. Win game

Just pick WD
go mid
level maledict and cask
ez win

Why master zenoth use phase instead of treads for TB?

cause myou need to run fast early game? combined with drums they cant chase you

tb have 320 ms early game if im not mistaken

Treads give a negligable advantage to your illusions. At level 16 with manta and skadi agi treads give an extra 11 dps on illusions over phase boots.

Same idea as how lifestealer gets phase nearly all the time despite how treads synergies so much better with Feast. Phase lets you assert lane dominance and play aggressively in the laning stage.

When backing from a split push activating drums and phase gives you close to maximum move speed. Storm is practically the only hero who can catch you after porting in.

@Flop
If you are going drums, might as well stack it with phase.. if not the mspeed bonus is kind of mediocre

TB is OP for pushing towers alone while the enemy team is occupied by your teammates. Try not to pick TB when opponent has a lot of heroes that're targeted at picking you off though, like Doom, Nyx etc. It's very troublesome when they have heroes with lockdown buying a dagger as well, there's just so many ways to burst you right down.

I don't like TB for teamfights since you always have to have all your images out and ready for a fight, if your team gets initiated on usually you don't have time to do any conjure images (you can still manta though, manta is fast) for the fight.

TB is not OP at all just yesterday we beat the guy whos 5th in world for TB http://dotabuff.com/matches/554575708

Maybe they nerf his slow a little bit but everyone seems to complain about his illusions and ulti i think if anything was to be OP the super long super slow at lvl 1 is pretty amazeballs

They should nerf only his Q - it's too good on lvl 1. The rest is fine.