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Androgynous

    what's the difference

    Greatlubu

      getting something constructive done, Ie pushing lanes up and causing a fight where you at least trade or escape...

      OR

      Huskar ulti into a full team when your already behind and dying almost instantly to the OD from his orb.

      epsik-kun

        Space creating is...
        ...running like an idiot with the whole enemy team hunting you while your team destroying their barracks.

        We should make it into stickers.

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        Androgynous

          if you end up dying but you distract the enemy, that's both isn't it?

          Greatlubu

            depends, If your dying for a reason such as simply pulling them away to give your carry a chance to roshan or something thats space. but dying simply because your horribly out of position or something similar thats baaad. (obviously lol)

            epsik-kun

              Nope that's space creating in a nutshell.

              For example I had a game with NS where I've:
              1) Got 12 kills streak;
              2) Died 5 times in a row.
              Thing is after being rolled by NS so hard, every player in the enemy team dedicated himself to bringing me down. So I just went running through their base dragging them all with me, thus giving my team time to push.

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              Meliodas

                Creating space is just another term for feeding these days. But in a sarcastic tone.

                Many of the things you do in dota will be "creating space". The term its self is just a joke at this point even if you did happen to create space.

                epsik-kun

                  ^Saying this is like saying that "Well played!" is a sarcastic remark. It is, from time to time, but far from always.

                  Greatlubu

                    a more realistic version of the phrase is when your team pushes as 4 to let a carry whos a little behind to find a chance to free farm, and the team will threaten to take a tower but will not commit into a 4v5 unless it has to

                    FlipFlop

                      Creating space is not always dying
                      Feeding is always consist about dying

                      Totentanz to The King: M ...

                        Feeding is constantly dying. Creating space is an excuse to feeding. But really, creating space is generally done for your carries like AM, Medusa, Spectre etc who can't really fight early. So you generally get to fight 4v5. Even if you lose the teamfight, that's sometimes worth it as your carry was untouched.

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                        salt enjoyer

                          Effective space creating is where it is beneficial to both parties.

                          AM/NP pushes so team can push, team pushes so AM can push. It splits up the opposition weakening their potential to team fight or defend against either lane.

                          In some cases making space just means 4 man hunting so your spectre can get a little window to farm in peace.

                          Sir

                            creating Space is when you Create space for your team.

                            Feeding is when you die without meaning

                            Compare it to Winning and dyiing. you can Win the game and still die. that does not make it the same thing.

                            Also Red is not blue. 5 is not two and Car is not bike.

                            epsik-kun

                              John is not Mike.

                              sorry

                              Vandal

                                Hi guys, let me introduce you to human language. It often depends on CONTEXT. Words can have different meaning based on usage.

                                Strongmind

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpVuGINcAB8 check this short video,= 100% space created

                                  Dire Wolf

                                    Teams will go in on a 3v4 or something and 3 supports will die and maybe one of theirs and they say it's ok we got their carry and ours didn't die but dude you are still giving the other team a gold advantage, especially if the carry got some of those kills. If you have a 5on5 team fight and each side has 1 survivior then obviously you want that survivor to be the hero who needs the most farm but people act like it's fine to feed as long as the carry doesn't die. Who cares if their's is getting fat? Ours didn't die so must be fatter! It's not really true.

                                    Sieg

                                      Creating space is doing shit so that the enemy team has to react to your shit.
                                      Feeding is trying to do shit but giving the enemy team free kill gold and XP as you try to do shit.

                                      You don't have to die to create space, and saying "I'm not feeding, I'm making space for you AM." isn't going to make you look better.
                                      A Furion could be pushing lanes to make the enemy react but if he dies every time he pushes the enemy team will more than gladly react, as getting kills will more than make up for the lack of farm they get from reacting.

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