General Discussionplaying mirana or pudge with/against undying (tombstone)

It is always pain in the ass to play vs undy, especially if you don't kill that toombstone.

yeah... gyro makes good work of it though

but that tombstone is still pretty durable til late game
but those zombies man those fucking god damn zombies keep popping up right as i hook the god damn hero or arrow

then that gives my dumbfuck flaming teammate a reason to flame me

bristle/tide do a clean work up against pesky zombies

Ye, always pick bristle vs undy ( and visage ), they literary become useless.

alchemist acid spray too

and always pick undy vs mirana and pudge

visage birds also block arrows which is prtty freaken retarded

^ They STILL do? I mean, I think they were made magic immune in the last patch, so they really should ignore Mirana's arrows now. Can you test it?

yes... they just absorb it and dont even get stunned

same with the zombies :/

don't know about arrow but hook is supposed to work on everything. Also bristle shits on undying making his 60 sec CD skill useless.
level 4 quill spray insta-kills zombies and CD is same as zombie spawn interval.

Playing anything vs pudge or mirana is a pain, it's like oh yes you overextended, you're mine! oh WTF you just went invis and ran away, how short is that cd? Or WTF man you just freakin killed yourself, love that rng.

Hmmm... good info on mirana/pudge counter with undying and visage. I guess I will practice with Undying side lane on unfair bots tonight since I have only tried him a handful of times. I am really tired of mirana picks in my cd/cm games. I hate banning her first ban, but seems lately it is a must unless I can get this undying guy down maybe! :)

Undying is really op when done right, it's a shame his win rate it 47% and he is hardly ever used. I often ban him in draft.

^ You know, these past few days I've been practicing some heroes with both unfair and hard bots...and somehow it seems like the unfair bots are actually easier...has anybody else felt that?

@ Zano,

Unfair harder than hard bots? I always choose unfair so IDK.

I think they seem easier because better players choose unfair bots

I've never lost a game vs unfair bots but I have lost vs hard bots because 4 people on my team were 0/15 and I was 28/2 and I still couldn't solo kill all the heroes alone cause they were way too fed

Wow, I didn't know it was possible to unintentionally feed bots...guess I was wrong :P

Hmmm....

I just do a computer team and not real people on my team and use the quick key commands to tell bots stuff. The bots seem to respond better with "stun now" or "missing xxxx" than real people somehow? LOL.

mirana arrow also goes to spiders and wolves quite often. and they are invisible. you don't even get a full view long the arrow path

undying is harder now because more teams are willing to rotate even 2-3 times just to avoid him altogether while pressuring the solo

undying in a tri vs solo is practically useless...

but yeah.. just put a tombstone and pudge/mirana have an extremely hard time finding a position to hit u

it also works against you too, hook will just grab the ally zombie :/

safe to say, "dont go dirge or NP or mass creep heroes when playin with pudge...."