General DiscussionDoes 4k trench really exist?

I think there are too many smurfs at this MMR.

P.S. Also there are fucktards who buy weird items:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1208225770

yes the 4k mmr is the true trench

i calibrated my smurf at 4.5kish

and i started throwing games back and forth for fun but then i realised i should get it to 6k legit and every single time i dont play mid i lost

theres definetly alot of great players that are better than majority of 5.5k~+ players in 4k especialy ones who support

but people there are ego as fuck i sometimes even find people who are as good at ruining games as i am

so trench is real

It sorta exists, due to the inflated smurf accounts made by good and shitty players we have a great imbalance in the 4k bracket.

yeah i went to like 4600+ and back to 4k flat, both prolonged winning and losing streaks.
trench is so fucking real, people with 30% winrate in ranked, 1 kda on all heroes, boosted shits, and now 6k, 5k smurfs.
best thing is spam your best hero/heroes, preferably cores, because lets get real, sometimes you create such space with a support, and you end up losing because your carry is 6 slotted but didnt have the brain to buy bkb, save buyback etc etc.

It's fiiiiiiine, it doesn't exist, you can climb if you're good and deserve to be higher mmr, but sometimes it sucks when you're playing against/with smurfs and they don't give a fuck and go full retard or your mid is getting rekt by some smurf with 80% wr soloq :))). 4.8k - 5.1k is fucking cancerous sometimes. It makes me laugh when some 4993mmr guy whole game calls his teammates 4k retards while being 4k retard himself. Some games are really enjoyable, but it's like 5%.

4-4.5 was the easiest mmr i rised ever, either later or b4. I didnt even notice it, actually. Just skipped 500 mmr points with very few losses, and I still got no idea why, cz I was certainly not much better than the rest of ppl playing there.

btw imo 4.5-5.5k games are quite awesome, i enjoy them most of the times. well sometimes u get some guy who boosted acc or whatever, but shit happens not that often and game is still fun.

I'm out of the 4k trench guys

@spaceman my main account is 6k

if i dont play mid or decently supported carry i usualy lose my games

so theres definetly trench in there and i don't even win all the time when playing mid or heavily supported carry

@vaikiss

OK I agree that sometimes it's hard to win. What's your MMR on smurf now? It's hard to believe that 6k player strugles in 4k. :)) Getting 4.8k is pretty easy. I find it hard to go above that, because I often get matched with 5k+ when i reach that MMR. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1104655371 This is an example of those smurfs. I was expecting normal game, I remember someone from my team telling me "care this SF is really good player" first 2 mins were fine, I didn't get out cs'ed and I was getting more cs, but then I made a mistake, I went for a risky play and haven't checked what level he is and then I died, because I didn't expect him to have higher level razes, he just leveled up when I was going for him and he survived with like 40hp. After that I was fucked. He was 1 level above me. If that was a standart 4.8k game I'm pretty sure I would've made a comeback, but that sf was pretty good I think he could be 6k+, but it was a great expierence playing with a decent player, because you can see your weak points in matchups like this. I made huge amount of mistakes that game. I don't feel I got outskilled by huge amount, I just made more stupid mistakes. After I fucked up @ 2mins when I made my first mistake, I felt bad for my team, because I picked mid and fucking lost it. Good thing they didn't blame me, but after that 1 small mistake I couldn't play normally, my head was full of shit. Even tho we fucking lost I enjoyed that game, just because my team didn't say a single bad word after I fucked up. It's way harder to win when someone is flaming you or your team is fighting with each other, because you know you made a mistake AND THERE IS NO NEED TO POINT THAT SHIT 798798797 TIMES and call everyone a fucking retard. After that game I realised so many things, it really helped me to improve.