General DiscussionHow to dodge games?

before the game loads, just disconnect
be careful though
1st dodge= 5min penalty
2nd dodge= 20 min penalty
and so on. So you dont wanna dodge to often.

Yeah, I know, but how do I dodge immediately using a commend, without disconnecting and waiting for the timer to count down to 0?

click abandon after disconnecting

Do I get the penalty for abandoning?

Yes, it will prevent you from finding new match for some time. No low prio or -mmr tho.

yes. since, it still on loading, on other player screen, you will failed to load. (as long as there still 1 or more other player still loading before you disconnect, if you disconnect when picking session i think it count as leave)
and they instant re-queue

and you got 5min punishment (for 1st time dodge)
and 20 for second dodge, never tried the third one

24 hours for the 3rd one, some say its 4 hours
but based from my experience, its 24 hours

Had internet issues a few weeks back where I couldn't connect to games on time, and can also vouch that it's 24 hours for the third time.

As long as I don't get low prio, I'm ok with the 5 min queue time.

Currently on 10/24 hour cd, my Potato decided not to load for a few games.

if you dont connect for 3x its 24 hours

dodging is an mmr increasing skill if u use it wisely

^can confirm, had like a 11 solo rank win streak using the power of dodging

lol when do u guys dodge?

When where is retarded player on your team.

Or when there is a pro player smurfing on the other team.

Dodge games on dire mostly. Or some shitty name + red page. Load a replay or something before searching for a game so that it loads faster and you have a good head start.

nice. so while other are loading i checj their profile and if theres a retard or smurfer then i disconnect?

i honestly feel like dodging dire is a slippery slope because im just going to win more games without improving in skill at all, so its going to be ultra cancer when i stop dodging dire

my dire / radiant split is 52/58 last 3 months ffs

whats wrong with dire side? I have a higher winrate in dire

its garbage

u see this?

2247 games ruined by being on dire team

So tru in my every account my dire wr is lower

Well, it's easier to gain early advantage on radiant. The direction you're facing is more comfortable, the same reason I think it's easier to break highground on bottom lane for both sides. Even in 5k+ literally every hero has 6-7% higher win rate on radiant.

I haven't actually done that, but the advantage currently is pretty huge. Also, as I started playing more rarely recently I am having more radiant games anyway so I'm happy. Previously I was getting like 55/45 split towards dire and that is really unlikely with the amount of matches I had, so I suspect that the placement isn't entirely random.

Look at this players:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/86745912/scenarios
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/105248644/scenarios

That split is pretty much impossible with 50/50 chance. So, I think that it's 50/50 below 4k and then leans towards dire, but after somewhere between 4.5-5k it starts leaning back towards radiant and after 5k you are more likely to be on radiant.

This might not be intended by devs, but simply a product of how matchmaking works. Also, I might be making this all up kek.

the secret to 8k-9k mmr : always getting radiant that fucker of a mother

yes for the 3rd dodge it is 24 hour ban for your account.

yesterday I dodged 2 times each for 5 mins(dodge was spaced out).
the third time I got a ban of 24 hours :(

whoa, thats pretty cool shit right there, will be saving this new knowledge
but still idk why i have higher wr in dire, maybe im just a bad guy xD

I dodged the third game beacuse all of the enemy had very high XPMs and one was with average XPM of 637 pretty unreal and we had a very bad team all in XPM of 450s.

Or when there is a pro player smurfing on the other team.

How do you know when a pro is smurfing?

I mainly dodge if I see a name of a retard that fed, or greifed, and built his hero stupidly.

their stats, or if they spam meepo,arc shit like that

Dodging seems all fine and good. But they shd lower your behavior scored every time u do it kek.

Radiant mid is unrealistically better for farming heroes it's more gankable tho

Actually u can gank from dire high ground and trees so i take that back rad mid is way better @ everything

dire supports can wrap around smoke gank from their safelane without tanking tower unlike radiant (rad has to walk all the way around or have creeps / hero tank tower)

fuck im jealous i dont have the luxury to dodge games because my pc loads so slow

Isn't it annoying that u can't really tp out of sight Into dire safelane tier 1 like u can with radiant?

i played with a player. checked his profile. saw 800 avg gpm and 1000 avg xpm. he was my teammate so i supported him. he thanked me for supporting well, and confirmed that he was boosting that account but was unable to play meepo/storm since another guy marked mid and he didnt want to argue

i q'd and was against him next game

that was my first dodge roflmao

Ex Dee

I usually dont really dodge 6-7k smurfs on the other team cos I rarely play against such people. It really can make u play better agaisnt a certain hero.

getting absolutely dominated wont make you learn anything unless you get dominated multiple times in which you can now actually analyze and improve based on your daily dominations by the said booster

If u play like crap u get dominated - pretty logic. If u are aware of the smurf in enemy team, u can comminucate with your team to focus on him.

ha team cant win for shit against a team of similar skill, what would happen if a superior skilled player were to be in the enemy team lul

and if you can rile your teammates into winning against that kind of player you could win any game tbh

U say such things like u were 2k. Oh wait...

If your team is 5k or 5.5 k avg, that one 6-7k core player does not make that huge difference, although they deal very well with pressure while playing cores and can ez win game solo if given nuff space.

I always pick Chen against such players, since putting extreme pressure is pretty much only thing I can do best in such scenario.

youll learn nothing from having easy games, so dodgeing will have an overall negative impact on your mmr

Hence youll never move up

Except if sonneiko is on your team, trust me, dodge that fuckboi

Kappa

But serioisly, dont dodge even 6k boosters in your 2k games, you might learn something

wow you are one of the most observant guys ive ever met

and being 2k doesnt really disprove anything ive said

anyways as you so kindly pointed out, we have a palpable skill gap and we have been arguing about a thing in which we are in a different context. sure place a 6k vs 5ks skill wont be clearly seen

but put that 5k while boosting an account in my 2k setting and you would see what i mean

I cant dodge cus I start at hero picking screen. always.

i dont think dodging is for finding easy games, but rather finding average difficulty games. true wont learn as much as being consistently placed vs higher skilled opponents but in 2k smurfs arent that many so no point in getting wrecked needlessly right

Like ive said, dont dodge boosters, you might learn something

The reason youre stuck in some x mmr is because you dont know something necessairy to win

Boosters/higher mmr players have that already figured

Thus getting your booty rekt will yield improvement

ah yes which position that is most comfortable when im getting forcefully anally pounded

ive been teamed up/against with quite a few smurfs tbh, and all i found was that they did everything faster

and even if i try (believe me i try to) i cant seem to find anything special they are doing in order to win

they are just, simply put, better. which is something that comes from practice i guess

but benao's existence is a hot heaping shitton of evidence to the theory that over time a person can get better, so idk