Honestly I feel the best way to gain ranked mmr would be to try for pos 1/2 because it is really hard to win the game from the offlane alot of the time. Unless you utterly crush the offlane and prevent the enemy pos 1 from getting any farm at all you will find that the games can still go either way regardless of your personal performance.
@parmaviolets, yes i love playing as offlaner, and i did my job while enemy carries suffer vs me (check recent matches) they got literally no farm. playing as pos 1 or 2, i think you know the situation of stupid people when they love all playin pos 1 and 2. honestly i have never blamed a support.
that's not the point lol
i'm just saying people here are so bad they can lose even when enemies have no proper safelane carry
and this is high legend bracket so it's definitely possible to do it in archon
here's another game
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4479160003
my slardar went 1/21
the graph whole game is in radiant's favor
i got level 6 at like 15 or 17 mins
we were 15-0 or something like that at one point in the game
i got a fucking 30 mins midas
with all of this
we won
honestly to me the most important thing to have in low mmr games is just positive mentality
you can always win
pepega carry you can win
no carry you can win
intentional feeder you can win
as long as you believe in the heart of the cards and the power of anime
you can win
always remember
you might have a pepega on your team
but the enemy might have two
also you never do your job as an offlaner
that's just what you tell yourself to feel good
you're in fact never doing good enough
i watch 7k replays and even they make mistakes
so just stop watching the game and start playing the game
stop crying about your carries
all these cute looking scores and nice kda don't fucking matter
this game is about destroying the ancient not having fancy kda
you get winrate by winning games not by having high kda
yea it's only possible to carry games from pos 1/2 guysI would argue that Tinker hard carried that game though
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4475046760
Love those ppl who say the solution is "play position 1 or 2". I feel it is honestly trolling.
Retarded idea, as there are 5 ppl in the team. It doesnt depend on the role, but how good are you on those heroes/in those roles. If somebody is atrocious as a position 3/4/5, they will not be gaining MMR. Half the carries or mid are carried anyway by other ppl just because they are so bad in their role.
It depends entirely if the hero and its playstyle suit you, not on which role are you playing.
^^^drow just won you this game
btw losing to timber and undy past 30 minutes is virtually impossible
@Talker good luck supporting 1k/2k players tho
you will maybe win 55 or even 60% of your matches if you are good, but as cookie said, why stuck at 55%wr when you can just farm, rat and kill and obtain 70% winrate.
No matter how good your pos4/5 playstyle is, if your pos1/2 fails to counter spectre or jugg or worse, is actually retarded like all "me core only" players, you will lose.
Remember : nice guys finish last
Love those ppl who say the solution is "play position 1 or 2". I feel it is honestly trolling.How is that trolling? Playing in a lower position places more trust in your teammates, in lower brackets your teammates are massively unreliable to the point where playing a support can feel genuinely helpless. The best way to ensure you win is to play a carry pos 1/2 which can 1v5 if needs be. There are very few offlaners that can carry a game with 4 sub-par teammates.Retarded idea, as there are 5 ppl in the team. It doesnt depend on the role, but how good are you on those heroes/in those roles. If somebody is atrocious as a position 3/4/5, they will not be gaining MMR. Half the carries or mid are carried anyway by other ppl just because they are so bad in their role.
It depends entirely if the hero and its playstyle suit you, not on which role are you playing.
Whilst being exceptionally good at offlaners and winning your lane increases your odds of winning, it is still unlikely you will win if your carries are bad. The only real solution for that is to be the carry yourself.
@31% winrate - is your account an experiment to see how scary super low mmr/behaviour score looks like btw? Im actually curious lol
@ GiGI HaDiD
I would advise playing an offlaner than CAN dominate the game regardless of what happens to safelane. Example: Axe can easily dominate the laning phase and dumpster the enemy carry however it can be very difficult to push highground solo and/or with an underfarmed team.
Suggestion: CK, Void or Sven (although not as viable as he was) etc. offlane such that if the s*** hits the fan in safelane you can transition to become the alpha. Either that or at least buy enough time for your carry to come online.
@ Talker
Agreed - if you play core, the offlaner can just as easily feed the enemy. There is no one size fits all solution if you are playing solo ranked..
@parma
i'm not trying to say I WON THE GAME FOR PEPEGA TEAM
because of course i didn't
at end of the day it IS a team game
i'm just trying to convince op that he should give up on "but how the hell can fix that when you get stupid carry or midlaner" this mentality
because if you have a stupid carry then maybe you have a decent mid or a decent offlaner or a decent anything
if your entire team are pepegas then you should at least be doing your job right and if you can micro manage them and tell them what to do
@31% winrate
lmao imagine having 31%winrate and thinking your opinion matters lol
seriously tho same answer i gave to parma
and add to it you have no idea what you're saying you just checked stats and picked best kda gpm xpm hero and said x carried you
watch replay first
the one who really was playing out of his mind was the razor because he was always at the right place at the right time
unlike xd afk farm jungle stacks that the SUPPORT made
sorry if i came out as rude
when we were winning fights with golem and bonds and razor and slardar baiting drow was usually just killing jungle creeps which is her job but she definitely didn't (win us the game) she just helped secure the win
which takes us back to the two different mentalities
1-im carry solo win if lose blame team i did my job and won my lane but my team couldn't do anything
2-we win as a team and if one underperforms i can perform better so i carry their ass if i lose then i think of the mistakes i made which of course i did
maybe if i didn't make those mistakes we could've won
again sorry if offended any of you
again it's just personal preference guys
i like playing support i feel i have impact on the game only when im pos 3/4/5
i haven't learnt the selfish mentality of 1/2 players and i don't want to learn it now at my mmr because of how much mmr it will lose me just to be able to get it to start working
@31% win rate call me nice again i'll fucking eat the flesh off your nose irl you white boy fight me
@op
my experience:
1k-2k : ezier games for pos 4
2k-3k: pos2 or pos 5 (5 was very ez games)
3k-4k: pos3
i think i must change my role cause i cant win solo anymore
i dont know its because when u changing ur role u have more patients on ur teammates (cause ur bad at that role too ) or sth else
but those roles on those ranks were ez for me!
The issue with unreliable people is that if somebody is playing offlane or support and switch to carry or mid HE is the unreliable carry/mid, who fucks it up for his team. This is the retarded thing about your advice. If person is in the bracket they belong (around 50% winrate), they are with similar skill people.
So for example I almost never play carry unless I have to. Because I suck as carry, the role is boring & annoying. So yeah, I feel this is pure trolling. So dont tell people to play carry. This is just stupid simplification.
Especially when you have 91% games on cores and still being 1k.
You can't pass Legend. Legend is den of S M U R F S. A lot of people selling account even if Max Calibration was Legend II; Now you can calibrate Ancient up however your MMR is still stucked on 3500 which is legend, also the reason why they're so many Ancient on Legends tier. Anyway, best of luck to you hopefully you wont face any 6k mmr on legend tier hidin' behind those low profile account but instead you'll be teamed with them hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Just get good at any roles. Pros who are supports were former mid players or carry. Do not just play 1 role. For those who rank up to immortal by playing one role (supp, carry, mid, or off) they have found the ones they are good at. So let's just say unless you are not divine VII or close to immortal. You are not thay good at your current role.
Try Timber offlane end game in 20 minutes, TT your teamates to gather. Practice hard win game "ALONE" w/ meepo, 20-30minutes game. Meepo is too hard? Alternative: Broodmother watch some moves on YT. End game in 15-25minutes.
The issue with unreliable people is that if somebody is playing offlane or support and switch to carry or mid HE is the unreliable carry/mid, who fucks it up for his team. This is the retarded thing about your advice. If person is in the bracket they belong (around 50% winrate), they are with similar skill people.Woah. Everything you wrote here is wrong. Thats cool.So for example I almost never play carry unless I have to. Because I suck as carry, the role is boring & annoying. So yeah, I feel this is pure trolling. So dont tell people to play carry. This is just stupid simplification.
Especially when you have 91% games on cores and still being 1k.
If you are consistently outperforming your carries as the offlane it means either you are getting unlucky with your teammates or you are far superior to them in terms of skill. Its not rocket science. I would say OP is where they belong if they find it impossible to win games but at a glance they consistently do well as an offlaner and still lose games, indicative of poor teammates. If you can't rely on your carries to win then you need to carry yourself, this is a fact of life. If you are stuck in a bracket then you take the midlane and then the game rests on your shoulders instead of an unreliable random.
If you find that you suck as a carry then you probably suck at the game in general. You can't be a good support without knowing the ins and outs of carrying and you can't be a good carry without knowing how to support.
Also thats 91% core from RECENT matches only and I am not 1k by any measurement either. My solo is 2450 and climbing and my party is 3900.
f you can't rely on your carries to win then you need to carry yourself, this is a fact of life.
except carrying a game is not only playing pos 1 or 2 :)
u can play pos 1 or 2 and still got carried by ur pos 5
except carrying a game is not only playing pos 1 or 2 :)
u can play pos 1 or 2 and still got carried by ur pos 5
Obviously, I have carried a few games as Crystal Maiden in my time but there is no denying that it is far more reliable to pick a tempo midlaner and control the game as opposed to an offlaner or support.
Obviously, I have carried a few games as Crystal Maiden in my time but there is no denying that it is far more reliable to pick a tempo midlaner and control the game as opposed to an offlaner or support.
its depends on skill bracket u playing :)
nobody deny the fact u cant win low mmr games if u play support!
Dude don't play "positions" in archon bracket. Just pick whatever hero you like and whichever lane is free, go for it. 2k games don't really punish you for picking more than 2 carries. I played a lot of Invoker offlane in that bracket, it worked to an extent because I was useful lategame and most games end only after they're 6 slotted. This only works below 3k though, so keep that in mind
You can just play a core in the offlane, metasheep will insist you dont but if you always have garbage cores then just pick a core in the offlane and carry yourself. Obviously not cores that require a ton of babysitting like a Spectre, but Void can hard carry on his own.
I'm a opezdal.
I dont lose.
I don't deem this thread worthy.
I'm a God-King
You are a puny human.
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I'm an archon player (ex: legend) i play like 80% offlaner.
fix the winrate = get gud= good mmr i know that , but how the hell can fix that when you get stupid carry or midlaner, while i did my job as offlaner (please check recent games with doom). see how i lose the winrate so easily?
HELP! please