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General DiscussionBottle, stats item, or wand (cores, especially mid)

Bottle, stats item, or wand (cores, especially mid) in General Discussion
ETd

    IDK which one to hold in the midgame because of item slot spaces, I know it doesn't matter too much but which is USUALLY most optimal

    kowareta

      Sell stat item, upgrade wand to holy locket, put bottle in backpack.

      arbuz

        wand is the best item in dota

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        дональд

          wand>stats
          bottle in backpack

          ETd

            Locket is legit, I always just forget it.
            I've been doing give bottle to supports, backpack the wand, then hold stats. Thanks for the corrections

            kowareta

              Yeah go arcane boots on every hero then disassemble it for holy locket.
              You might lose mmr but jesus christ is always blessing you.

              Shou

                just backpack bottle, and hold wand. idk how u run out of slots so fast, because by the time i have any slot issues im selling my null or wb usually

                '96 Neve Campbell

                  Lol waste money on a locket as a mid core, im sure your team will commend you when you lose haha

                  miiigz

                    Generally wand is better than stats items (null, wraith and bracer).
                    Null has spell amp, which is hard to get from other items (maybe wand = null?).
                    Lastly, some cores (zeus, sniper) don't want to be close to enemies, so wand has less value.

                    Bottle stays on backpack. In my opinion, you should buy bottle if your hero is very mana dependant, and/or if you can guarantee that you can get them via pushing the lane or your hero has some kind of jump (ember, qop).

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                    Shou

                      heroes like kunkka ember tinker always want to keep bottle in backpack because they abuse fountain.

                      ETd

                        Selling bracer is generally an easy choice, it's the weakest of the stats items atm
                        Selling WB I kinda try to weigh whether the DPS I get from the item I'm replacing it with matches/exceeds.
                        Selling null I find difficult to bring myself to do, because 2 nulls' spell amp kills the ranged creep for a few of the heroes I play who nuke the wave, selling them means I nuke it then still need to right click them

                        Shou

                          i dont even buy wand on the heroes who spam more than 2 nulls, but not for the spell amp i think the mana regen is value.

                          Sir Johan

                            Magic wand 48.11% winrate
                            Bottle 47.83% winrate

                            Null Talisman 44.23% winrate
                            Bracer 43.56% winrate
                            Wraith band 42.82% winrate

                            Stats are not everything but it gives you an idea of how much better bottle and magic wand is later in the game compared to early stat items.

                            Meganesta

                              wth, ofc stat item have lesser winrate, the one have hold of them until the end of the game would be loser side.

                              One More Light

                                For mid just go 1 null or wb and 1 circlet so u dont have to worry about selling

                                flourishing new leaf

                                  Bottle if you're gonna be moving around the map constantly.
                                  Wand if it's obvious.
                                  Stats best if you want to dominate.

                                  Feachairu

                                    stat item first (wb or null)
                                    salve mango
                                    bottle

                                    do not make wand upgrade its +1 stat for 150g maybe only gud vs batrider

                                    if you do not plan to trade with enemy with wraithband and u tink u not gonna use it for farming anyway(like roaming instantly) buy bottle first

                                    but usually ppl go wb first so u can punch ur neemy at lane

                                    Feachairu

                                      oh my goodness im retarded i didnt read de question properly

                                      uh save bottle if u controlling runes

                                      wand next

                                      stat item is useless u shuld sell wb
                                      (u can backpack bottle too btw)

                                      if u play something like lesh dat depends on spell amp and u are sure u wont get bursted/wand doest help anyway u can go null