For a pos 4 riki, it's good. But for a core riki, you just take away the threat of that hero.
As a core riki, by 20 mins, you are walking with Diffu,pts,wraith,yasha OR Pts,Bf,wraith.
For a core hero, at 20 mins, you should be strong enough to kill stray supports in fights and be able to walk away. I am a P5 main, and from my perspective a riki that can just jump me, slow me and kill me in 3 secs is way more scarier than a meteor riki.
Like, if a fight starts and the support is even slightly out of position, a diffu+yasha riki can kill that support in 3 secs, compared to a dart+meteor setup which start's it's first tick of damage after 3 seconds at that point you are a sitting duck.
Meteor+dart is a reliable 1 man disable and a unreliable aoe stun. Based on the cooldowns, once you initiate the combo, you are 0 threat for next 10 seconds. (which works for a P4 but not a P1 hero) Also, once you launch dart, enemies are alerted about your combo. So you just announce to them before jumping them. And if you start without dart, then you are just trying to land a lucky stun. Either you allow enemy team time to respond, or you hope that enemy walks into your stun.
Oh no, this guy saw the rizpol video and actually thinks the dart+hammer combo is broken...
GG to that smurf rizpol ruining games in low rankings because all the kids think they have some secret knowledge with his meme builds, not knowing he is actually smurfing and has a lot more game knowledge that allows him to get these easy victories.
Also its not broken, why? Well BKB exists, thats why really
Also with this build you basically deal 0 damage compared to a normal riki build because you get 0 agility, if you are up against good players who dont fall for this meme build, and you have 0 dmg, what do you do??
lol ^ you know it gives u 8 agi. Also I am mainly talking about support or offlane riki going this. If I was safe lane in my opinion I can also go this if I plan to end the game early. If I was safe lane farming I can get this meteor hammer by min 5. Again it is extremely cheap and the build up is easy. It is also a great farming item and will give you the next item much faster.
What ever, build your meme hammer and go, nobody cares.
You wanted to know what people think, well here it is: Its a load of crap
If you dont care yourself and think its an super amazing 2.3k gold investment for 8 agility and some regen stats that a neutral item can provide, why bother asking the question in the first place?
Also, i think there are better hero's for support than riki lol
i want to know what people think but not people in Harold bracket like you who have no clue what dota is even.
Meteor hammer Riki is only just viable if you are playing it pos 4. You finish meteor and go dart immediately after it. This combo is used to set up kills for your team and by no means it does any damage similar to a diffusal riki
Saving for yoimiya, you spam riki, you are basically a herald yourself lmao. Combined with the fact that an ancient 2 ranked player would even impose the question of this riki build being viable kind of makes me wonder where you bought your account from
Also you dont seem to be using the strat so you kind of answered your own question.
LOL ^
Every single riki game I played this week I have used this strat. So clearly you are talking out of your ass. Look at the live games and search by riki every immortal riki player who is not either safe lane or mid lane is also using this build. Yikes Guadian rank and 1-8 on BB LOL
Is decent I guess, like those miranas and pudge 4, pretty hit or miss I would say. Some games is great, others (most of them, actually) you'd be better off with a selfess pos4 support.
I rather have a Shaman hexing and dying than a riki with this itembuild. Even if he is doing fine.
^ that is not a very fair comparison. A shaman dies a lot easier than a riki. Has less armor and hp. One has a channeling stun and the other has a silence. One will make the other team spend way more on dust and sentry and the other doesn't. These are all different factors and comes down to the player playing them. You are asking for a slave where is the other side is someone trying to win the game for themselves.
Shaman builds defensive/mobility items. Riki mostly builds damage, so he will remain squishy till late-midgame, when he can transition to a third or fourth core.
A good player w shaman will be harder to kill than a good player with riki with the same farm, and is providing much more utility than an agi melee support without stuns.
And also riki's bullshit gets countered rrally easy with the natural item progression of most p1/p2 (bkb, mkb). Against shaman you need status resistance shenanigans or even a linkens, because you cant really dodge hex.
Dont get me wrong, is good against the likes of ls, jugg, ursa and natural blink heroes, but against then I'd rather have someone who can follow up my offlaner initiator chainstuning one of their cores than a riki smoke that will be countered by an enemy bkb.
Not even lategame, because refresher shaman ult can win you a game.
Point is, you want to build big items on a p4 melee agi support without stuns and with shit stats? Whose ult gets countered with a cent or a dust? Play it mid or even safelane, the only reason memrhammer works in some p4 (treant) is because they already bring a lot of value for the team, they dont need that item to play their role as they should.
Riki 4 can be good, everything can work, yea, but I rather have consistency than doing good 1 in every 4 games w a meme build.
that is cuz riki has defensive built in to his kit. A shaman might build glimmer but riki has glimmer as his ult. So of course riki will build damage and disables. Also sentry don't counter riki any more than other heroes. Other heroes are visible all the time it doesn't mean they will instantly die cuz there is a sentry. You play with ur team and jump people when they not paying attention. If they go on you, you tricks of the trade and kite out the fight. Whatever I literally have 90% win rate this week on this hero. Unless you can also achieve this with shaman which trust me I have tried it doesn't give you 90% win rate cuz a lot have to do with how much your team wants to work with you where as riki you can do solo plays.
rizpol is an animal and he needs to die but i think dart hammer is fine, the dart itself is pretty strong on its own anyway
I like it on pos 4!
But I havent done it enough (many better and stronger heroes as pos 4 right now :))
gl!
Get hammer + shard at min 20, then dont hit anymore creeps, instead run around setting up kills.
+30 mmr
See thats my issue. As p4 support youre not suposed to hit creeps first 20 minutes of the game. You assist in ganks and defensive movements, after 20mins you no.longer have ganks, you have teamfights and pickups.
Anyways imma try it.
bro it cost 2000 gold and then 1400 for shard if you afk in fountain for 20 mins you have 3400 gold. No one is hitting creeps for 20 mins. Stop making up nonsense.
You aint getting wand, boots, smokes centries to deward, consumables? You arent dying as an agi support with shit starting stats and low str gain per lvl?
Can you detail on how you go on your normal riki support game?
if you are dewarding then it is a net positive 110-130 gold per deward for 50 gold. You do need to buy claries but there is no reason to buy tango u have tango reg starting at lvl 1.
looks like riki hammer is still going strong. Plus it looks like the higher you go the easier it is to win games with it.
^ you are trying to flame me? on a game where 2 of my teammates abandon at 4 mins and I had to play out the game with like only 1 other teammate against 5 people? If so you are one sad little guardian boy.
Edit: LOL now even youtube is copying my build https://youtu.be/shPBImPx9X0
@Saving for Raiden Shogun! Take it easy,I mean ,no, that's not a secret strategy in dota that makes you win; just being better makes you win,no matter what strategy you choose, at the end of the day you are 20% of your team(if playing at your own bracket)
Also "Ezer than passive bots" was me being asshole!
Just to be clear you did not invent this build lol.
I was wrong, is pretty strong if the game doesnt go to shit after 10 mins. Is a reliable way of keeping enemy p1 or p2 out of the fight.
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I think it has a bunch of potentials. First the item is cheap 2350 gold and it gives you +8 Strength+8 Agility+8 Intelligence+6.5 Health Regeneration+2.5 Mana Regeneration. Compare it to yasha 2050 gold. which only gives u ms, 16 agi and some attack speed.
You can ask yourself if you want a yasha during the 10-15 min mark or a meteor hammer.
Then there is the mana reg. Riki with 2 blink charges actually uses a lot of mana now and this item is a perfect bridge to provide that mana reg.
There is also the fact using meteor hammer does not reveal when playing as riki. The enemy cannot see it and you do not get reveal and they cannot hear the sound effect. So if there are no sentry you can usually get it off on a farming hero.
It is also great for pushing lanes, farming neutrals and pushing towers all of which are usually riki's weaknesses.
At min 20 you can get sleeping dart and it becomes a really broken combo.
What do you guys think?