Elder Titan: Underlooked Support
On several occasions in our previous blog posts we have highlighted that the support meta in the game is a little bit stale. Today, instead of adding to an already long and repetitive list of complaints about the absence of the new big patch, we will instead try to offer a solution to the problem—Elder Titan.
Elder Titan has been slowly getting momentum in the higher-skilled brackets, with an above 50% win rate in all brackets and, most notably, an almost 53% win rate in 5k+ games. His very low pick % means he is either a very situational hero, or does require a lot of skill to be played well and to a certain extent both of these thing are true. However it shouldn’t dissuade players from picking him in their games and he can be sometimes squeezed in if you have second pick during the drafting stage in All Pick.
Too situational?
Over the years, the general consensus on the hero was that he is only really good in games against high-agility cores. He was frequently used as a counter against heroes like Morphling and this aspect of the hero remains as relevant as ever: it is still absolutely possible to punish heroes with high base armor who don’t usually want to build defensive items with bonus armor.
That said, the way the hero is currently played doesn’t revolve around 
Natural Order, but rather around 
Astral Spirit and maxed out 
Echo Stomp. The latter is generally maxed out first to provide the maximum amount of damage and control.
This build isn’t exactly as punishment against high-agility heroes and neither is it as strong in lane as the max-Astral Spirit one popular roughly half-a-year ago, but it is absolutely godly in early teamfights and is also very relevant when it comes to early ganking and rotations.
Understanding Echo Stomp
Echo Stomp is an incredibly clunky spell—it has a long wind-up, heavily telegraphed animations and is generally quite easy to dodge with any mobility spell. At the same time, the effect of a landed Echo Stomp is very punishing.
The big game-changer came in patch 7.07 and was probably overlooked by the majority of the community. Elder Titan never was a popular hero and not even all professional teams and players caught on how powerful the ability has become.
7.07 added a Wake Up Damage Threshold of 50/100/150/200 depending on the level of the ability. So instead of waking up on first touch of any AoE or any auto-attack, it is actually much easier to use Echo Stomp as a setup now.
It does two thing: it ensures that even in chaotic teamfight in poorly coordinated pub games the players will generally have enough time to understand that the target is slept. It also makes Echo Stomp more or less a full-blown stun with impressive damage in the early game, since 100-200 damage is pretty massive and the ability counts damage after all reductions. It is still important to understand exactly how much damage you can deal to a target before it wakes up and when to start applying it, but the ease of execution and the potential effects from the ability have been drastically improved.
Lane Presence
Elder Titan is firmly an offlane hero. While he can be played as a core in this lane, it is generally ill-advised since there are simply too many heroes in the pool who are a better fit for a core position. As a support, Elder Titan offers a very good body with 740 starting HP and 2 armor, as well as some very strong punches, courtesy of decent starting damage as well as Astra Spirit buffs.
This added damage allows the hero to do two very important things incredibly well—if he ever gets in range of the enemy his harassment can be devastating, while when facing ranged heroes who stay far back, he will have little trouble denying most of the creeps in lane, since he out-damages most carries in the early levels by a huge margin.
This alone makes for an already decent hero, but Elder Titan, despite all his clunkiness, also offers a lot of kill potential in lane. If there is a reliable stun or a decent slow, he can easily land his combo for either full damage, standing close to the target, or for magical damage only, with Astral Spirit. In either case, as long as he wasn’t too far away and as long as his teammate understands the game, he will have enough time to find a close position to the target and start laying in damage.
Do try to position yourself in such a way, that the escape path of the target goes through you, since it will often give you an opportunity for an extra punch and potentially a kill. Echo Stomp with Astral Spirit will already deal a considerable amount of damage, but the added benefit of getting “free” hits through sleep makes for some very unfavorable trading for the opponent.
The full combo of these two spells will generally cost 180-190 mana, meaning that a single mango is generally enough to have it available. Starting mana is enough to perform the combo twice, so it is a high-commitment spell usage, so be vary of that.
Beyond Laning
Elder Titan is also a very decent roamer in the early levels, as long as his cores can enable him. Slows and stuns in lane go a long way and Echo Stomp is a very powerful follow-up past level 2 of the ability.
Roaming in general isn’t in a good place right now, but you absolutely have to contest the bounty runes every five minutes. Not only is Elder Titan great at controlling his offlane runes, courtesy of highground the enemy has to climb, he can also use this time as an opportunity to make action happen in other lanes.
Moreover, unlike many supports, his range on Astra Spirit can allow him to stay completely out of sight for the follow-up, catching the enemy off-guard. Using Smoke of Deceit can also be worth it, as long as you are absolutely sure that your team will get the kill or you will force some heavy rotations. And while the combo is high-commitment in terms of mana cost, it isn’t in terms of positioning—you can always back out if you see the enemy rotating in or if the kill gets too risky.
Closing Thoughts
Elder Titan isn’t a meta staple and we are not suggesting he is quite on the same level as heroes like Earthshaker or Silencer. But there is a place for the hero in the current meta and sometimes you don’t really need a meta reason to play a hero.
7.20 isn’t going to come out a couple of weeks before the first Major tournament starts, so it is still some ways off. As a support the game might have gotten stale for you and we hope Elder Titan might become a solution, at least for some time. He might look clunky from the outside, but he is both very satisfying in terms of gameplay and very effective at actually winning the games.
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especially useful against a tri-lane Kappa any fucking support zones titan out he is shit in terms of harrassing, is this an article on solo mid titan?
I too do two thing. Be vary of that
His clunkiness reminds me of the old Alchemist
Ok, I'll try
If his echo stomp had a large point cast instead of channeling (cancel-able) that'd be sweet.
ET my favorite hero. lvl15 on Dota +
"ET=GG"
-Frey557
My fav hero ET 🤜
@FingerMingle
That would make the skill easy to use as a threat without ever really using a ton of mana. Max it, keep astral spirit low and you can dictate where opponents go in lane by revving and cancelling. Miiiight be op with the right handler?
Im glad that he got a spotlight that he deserves, as many other underlooked heroes
Plus he's great around rosh
I think you mean "overlooked."
Buying ATOS, using ATOS, using Astral Spirit (if range to enemy is too big), then use Echo Stomp, after this u can use Ultimate (if u pick talant -75 sec Ultimate couldown, u will have good combo with good couldown).
For more damage u can buy Desolator & Assault Cuirass
Wow) Elder Titan)))
@HEKTO!
Atos really has been the savior of many heroes in lower mmr games, but it does still become just another thing countered by bkb and manta in mid to late stages of the game. I'm not here to say that the item is useless or that bkb counters everything (look how effective Willow was during TI in the late game) but I do feel it's easy to overvalue the item. Euls, on the other hand, is a much stronger disable (prevents item usage). Euls naturally provides a blink cancel (50 fall damage) as well, leaving Atos as the stronger choice only when skill based movement options are available (qop, storm, am, etc). Your timing will still have to be as good as you can make it when outside forms of dispels are available and when the target has a force staff, but forcing the use of one or both of those spells is often a net win during a teamfight for your side.
60% skil based + 30% luck + 10% team draft. This hero doesn't give a shit regarding opponent line up (being one tricking for sometimes now. I always first pick.) However, this hero are way too situational since his ult is basically one of hardest skill to use in game to be fully effective. (almost 4 sec set up but almost 60% max HP deduction in a straight line.) Probably one of the strongest late game support since due to his passive and earth splitter can punish enemies out of position massively, and his lvl 25 cut his ult down to about 25 sec as cd, with oct.core is about 20 sec per ult. WHAT SUPPORT IN LATE GAME ARE THAT BROKEN if the team has a good set up spells for you (you got a warlock ult drop + fatal bond,fv's good Chrono, you stomped and drop ult, watch enemy HP down to almost nothing.)
Nice article. I love it
why're you getting people to play my hero? And he's not a "support", he's a pos 3 offlane carry. Get it right.
ET needs a buff. Make it so if stomp gets interrupted, it doesn't put the skill on cooldown. Also change his Ags to make him swap places with the spirit. Let ET be fun and mobile again.
Anyone that plays Aether lens and Aghanim's Scepter on this hero hasn't lived.
@JMafla feel you man, don't buff him cuz IOSfrog is going to nerf him bad when everybody spamming him in the future.
I have to hugely disagree on some points. Qualifying ET as a support hero is just reducing and underestimating his value. Titan is one of the most polyvalent heroes in Doto who can adapt to most lineups easily with the right items and playstyle while also being able to stay fearsome late-game. He can supp of course but I see him as a way more potent semi-carry/semi-tank-utility hero. He can dish out tremendous damage at any point of the game and litterally oblitterate a lvl 25 agility carry with his combo and his aura without any particular item but he can also be a tanky frontliner who catalysts his team's damage by his mere existence. He's also one of the only heroes who can buy w h a t e v e r h e w a n t s and still make it work greatly. The only things a good ET fears are ennemies he can't stomp for whatever reason (jugg's spin, ls' rage, mobility or slow items/spells, etc.) and hard disablers (bashes chainstuns, banishing, etc.).
Personnally, I like to play him as a core offlaner to take advantage of his early damage and snowball through ganks and teamfights until he gets the "carry talents" (move speed, AS damage, Attack speed, "I litterally can't die as long as I'm hitting").
sable de eco = gg
talking about ET here ? 2k games here! 58% win
Its a position 3 hero god dammit, Slap a blademail and armor and you got the best initiator in the game.
I miss the +15 armor at level 25 though
I've been impressed by people in the comment, i might not have the only to play ET, I saw a guy going armlet, rod of atos. damn why not! but never ever put that beast on position 5, pros are WRONG!
@JMaFia
192 pro games of Elder Titan have been played since 7.00. 18 in the core position, 173 as support (and 1 that couldn't be classed, I guess). Better get to explaining to the pro's how to play ET the right way, since apparently you know better!
@Kal, Pros play him and micro his spirit like donkey crap. Watch a demo of my gameplay. Thanks.
I miss refresher ET before the natural order rework all u needed was lvl 16 and refresher and you kill anyone and everyone that gets in your stomp
he he he hello ET lovers, 7.20 came and gave us a present ... ARMOOOOR.
get your items focused on stats and utility and let the spirit take care of yourself.
Im still figuring out the best position but 5 to 3 is fine i guess