General DiscussionMy Personal Blog: 4k Shitters Galore

good luck sir! I'm interested to see how your journey goes.

go terra

How do I post images onto dotabuff forum without the link? Like the actual image? Does anyone know the code?

Also I had some autists in my first game so this should be fun.

Nvm I think I got the image thing. Here goes.

Once upon a time, the RMM gods decreed that on Friday, April 4, 2004 A.D., Imperium's game will be wonderfully fantastic...for the other team.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/595157381

[Img]http://i.imgur.com/7FKxeji.jpg[/img]

Amazing! Free farm drow has 5.5 cs/minute and TA not even 4.

What are the lessons for this astronomically high skill game, my 4k shitter friends? If ur on
my team, try not to get hooked by pudge...it really makes my games easier U_U

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YYvJvbW.jpg[/IMG]

How do you lose TA Mid to Pudge anyways? Teach me doto Pudge player, you are amazing, senpai.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/k5hVXdG.jpg[/IMG]

Really! It would help if you didn't get hooked guyz ._.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xQOpbnl.jpg[/IMG]

Oh dear...didn't see that one coming.

4k shitter games also have amazing farmers. They make 6k games look
like they're being played by scrubs. I mean just look at this drow's farm.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PZ0AiTH.jpg[/IMG]

Condolences, 4k shitter scrub, for there are many games where your safelane carry won't farm...even in a free lane. (Yes, this was a drow ranger in a free farm lane)

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/skOklNo.jpg[/IMG]

20 min with 2.5 cs/minute TA vs Pudge. Such skill! Much wow!

You see, there are 2 types of doto players. The shitter scrubs (i.e. most people in the 4k shithole) who almost all think that mid is some auxiliary lane where you're supposed to "gank" 24/7. "TA is a ganker," they probably think. SF must also be a "ganker."
"Why didn't you gank??!!!111" is probably the first question to pop into the mind of a sub 5k scrub whenever he loses his lane and tries
to pass responsibility to another player, or has the map awareness of a bat during daytime and dies.

Then there are the non-retards. I'll let you figure out what that means.

Now, I don't know what's going on in the minds of all the 4k shitters I get on my team, but you see, there is this phase that lasts barely over a minute even before you move your hero into the lane. I call it the "picking phase" and any monkey with even rudimentary knowledge of doto knows how important it is.

So when the team picks Drow and TA, 2 heroes who excel at focusing down single targets but not so much in teamfights without
tanky heroes, along with 2 squishy supports, the first thought that comes into my head is...

Well, nothing. There's nothing to think about. It's obvious to all but the most dim. I didn't expect any other outcome
unless they were excellent at positioning themselves...which they weren't.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lJWAz1t.jpg[/IMG]

Ok guys, maybe fighting 5v5 isn't a good idea...

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TvwZKhD.jpg[/IMG]

"Let's try it again, Forrest!"

(Admittedly I was stupid and joined in on the fight and died as well, a mistake I should have forseen)

Lesson of today:

1) If you see your team pick like shit, pick a 1v5 hero. I might've been able to carry with offlane Naga Siren, rushed rad, and then
go for super-late game with 6 slots, while taking down their towers slowly and ratting/cutting creep waves.
2) Never bandwagon. If your team rushes in like retards, and you know you're going to lose the teamfight, stay out of them and farm.
Warn your team once but don't overdo it, pubs don't like being educated for some reason. (Some mixture of small dick syndrome
sprinkled on top of the Dunning Kruger cupcake, but you'll have to consult a dota psychiatrist for more information)

Can't really be arsed to find where I messed up, at least in this game, because I rarely play Axe. I'm going to avoid
doing so in the future since he's not my type of hero (i.e. doesn't have 1-2 active skills and right clicks).

"I've never gone below 4350."

http://dotabuff.com/matches/595296335

Sadly that's what happened this game. I probably deserved it too for playing poorly.

Here's the breakdown of why I think we lost

1) No good counterpushers against their rather annoying lineup, except ember.
2) I didn't farm quickly enough.
3) Teammates (Ember and Seer) were caught needlessly near the end.

I will focus on #2, the farming aspect.

Here are some numbers demonstrating how great 4k shitters farm.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/g9dJTkI.jpg[/IMG]

62/13. Not very good, but not horrible either. Probably what most 4k shitters would manage. I was playing AM + partially jungling CM against a Panda, and Shadow Shaman rotated in at around 8 minutes.

Oh M Gee, what to do next time? (Could potentially hit 70-75 cs with near perfect play)

1) I messed up the illusion micro for the first few waves. Should never do that again.
2) Push the wave after getting treads/pms/qb, and then blink into jungle to farm neutral camps.

However, let's look at the other players. Remember dota is a game of relativity, not absolute values.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7mEljNk.jpg[/IMG]

53/27. As you can see, the 4k TB picking shitter on the other team had abysmal farm (even relative to me, which is about as bad as it gets) for a free lane. There are 2 possibilities as to why he sucked.
First is that he focused too much on denies and messed up some last hits (happens sometimes). The other is that he is simply inefficient. Terrorblade is one of the few safelane carries who can easily transition into jungle
at almost all stages of the game. The only difference is that he can summon illusions to tank.

So please, do yourself a favor if you play Terrorblade and don't sell the hero fucking short. You have one of the best
carries at the moment (a circumstance that will probably change in the next major patch) and you not farming 7 cs/minute by
minute 10 in a free lane is just embarassing. Push the lane and kill the hard camp easily, you have a good mana pool anyways.

As for mid, we can easily deduce who's winning:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cx3XHDi.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hcqUP4G.jpg[/IMG]

Ugh, that second image is disgusting. Have you figured out why? (I mean...aside from his 0-2 score...and aside from his low cs...)

The ember lost for 1 simple reason: He went a trash skill build. He maxed out bolas + fists (sigh...) which has been discussed
extensively as a trash skill build. (Refer to this thread: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1405149&page=2)

Wow! Note how all the 5k+ players go Flame Guard...I wonder why.

You see, one of the things I've noted all this time about players whining of "MMR hell" is that they don't realize how
all their plays will lead to different outcomes. I can assure you 100%, that if Ember won the lane by maxing out FG, the chances
of us winning would be much higher. Why? Because then he would have room to gank the terrorblade and suppress his farm, and
allow an even greater gap between our heroes and theirs.

I'll even give an example of one of my mistakes (there were a lot in that game, trust me) to demonstrate.

Critical blunder - typical of 4k shitters who don't think a bit outside the box.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lBfRO56.jpg[/IMG]

Let me explain. Terrorblade TP'ed in with 262 HP and 1182/1277 Mana. He wanted to sunder me. I thought I wouldn't be able to kill TB with mana void + 1 hit.

For some perspective, AM with Double Damage deals 300 + ~48 right click damage at that point. With 1 right click and Mana Void, factoring in TB's high 18 armor, he still would've died. Even in the worst case scenario,
I could hit a second time after Hit + Mana Void, and he would die 100% of the time.

But why didn't I go for the kill? Well, I was ignorant of the fact that Sunder has 0.5 s cast time, while Mana void has 0.3 s. This mini-stun is easily abusable for many close kills.

I'm curious what the mindset is that forces me to make these mistakes. It might have to do with overall not knowing
how to play the hero well enough (how to abuse certain skills to make the most of them). It might have to do with
choosing to play too conservatively.

Here are some interesting gems from that game, since our clock was running his mouth the entire fucking time. Must be his period or something, since nobody said/did anything to offend him.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0v6w9S3.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/a2mNw1l.jpg[/IMG]

Yes, thank you lord Gaben! I finally have a win tonight after 2 games of unbearable solo queue RMM losses in the 4.3k shitter bracket.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/595362670

1) Go mid as Ember (Max out Flame Guard...for fuck sake)
2) Find gank opportunities esp during nighttime when their supports might not maintain wards
3) Keep camping their safe lane for kills (Hide in trees, etc.)

I performed quite well due to the 4k shitters on the other team being out of position constantly. Ember is one of the best heroes to punish people out of position due to his retard proof skill set. I also had 48 cs in 10 minutes while not even spending the last 3 minutes in mid lane, which is how I should continue to try and play my games. Maintain around or above 5 cs/minute while still finding ways to maximize impact by getting kills and assists.

Here's a rather skilled move I pulled off (something you typically won't see of any 4k shitters). I admit I surprised myself, actually, since I'm usually the passive "go afk farm and carry" type of player.

I assume most, or at least the more talented, 5k players would be able to do the same though:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uV8zyeL.jpg[/IMG]

Note the Invoker (Orange's) position on the minimap. He's last hitting the wagon and is about to retreat.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vxXrbxL.jpg[/IMG]

He's fogged, so I can only guess. Most players run in a straight line though, and he still doesn't suspect anything.

I keep chasing with Remnants.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/q4g0Fvg.jpg[/IMG]

Success!

Finally caught with sleight + bolas. He tried to EmP + Tornado me (EMP deals pure damage, so it doesn't affect my shield)
but I still killed him.

Funny because I failed the OTHER two times in this game I attempted it (1 unit/1 hero sleight + bola
requires some practice to get it right).

(Note: If the Invoker was above 4.5k he probably would've been smart enough to realize he wouldn't win 1v1, and just turn on ghost walk and run away...)

Taking into account all this and making the correct decision is one of the hardest things to learn in dota, but it comes with more and more experience. I did not see this Invoker use Ghost Walk at all this game, so I concluded he wouldn't have either this time.

Now, the thing is, had I failed in this gank attempt, it wouldn't have been a big deal. However, in very close games,
failed ganks or not attempting ganks that could be easily successful with good micro will cost you the game. Many 4k shitters
do not understand this concept.

Also more QQ's, except this time RMM put that guy on the other team. The siren was whining about his team. But is it
really a surprise though? He picked an afk ricing hero whose main job is to farm radiance, cut creep waves, be completely useless
in team fights until 5 or 6 slotted. It works when RTZ or EE does it...because they farm very quickly and get those items
up by 35-40 minutes. This guy would've taken more than 50, by which time the game will probably have been lost.

IF YOU SUCK AT FARMING DON'T PICK SIREN PLEASE, YOU'LL EMBARASS YOURSELF. YOU LITERALLY NEED 10+ CS/MINUTE TO WIN THAT WAY, BECAUSE YOUR TEAM IS PLAYING 4V5 UNTIL THEN.

thats some deep shit man
NOTICE ME SENPAI

as masochistic as this sounds, the more i analyze the plays of 4k shitters, the more i hate myself (but derive some strange kind of satisfaction), so hopefully this will motivate me to play better and get out of the trenches

you've never gone below 4350 you said, so be happy with the actual teammates. i just got 4,1k, but i got calibrated at 3,2k when ranked came out, and hell man, you don't know what the 3k tier looks like. but apparently improvement can be done.

tfw no one makes a 2.8k shitterier blog to help you get out of it

Last night, tards were allowed to play dota 2. It was fucking massacre

road to 5k,the only way to do it is to get new account,get 400%booster,play around 40 games,get lvl 13
then play ur 10 games for MMR, go only as solo mid, or ull never get over 5k
gl

@ drophar

i know what it looks like, i have 2 smurfs and i played the first few games starting off at Volvo's 3000 default MMR. they weren't difficult, i always snowballed with heroes i don't even play (storm, sf, etc.) even if my team was feeding and the game was 1v5. Obviously the higher MMR you are, the higher your "1v5" threshold is.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/480324770 (all 3000 MMR players except me, first game on smurf. i had 2 disconnects and 4 feeders, so it was literally 1v5)

congrats though for making it here, so let me tell you a little bit before i head off to bed:

the thing with the mid 4k trenches is that the players are very volatile. one game you get some players who are decent/cooperative, the other you get complete trashbags. (sometimes you will be that trashbag)

in theory, THEM playing poorly shouldn't affect YOUR play, but in practice that's not the case. Sometimes people run in and die, you try to save them, and you both end up dying. the solution? don't bandwagon. adjust to your team's skill level. if they are good, just ride the wave. if they are trash, then my advice is to mute them if they're arguing amongst themselves and play like it's 1v5.

from what i've read/people i've talked to, picking 1-3 heroes over and over and trying to make a big impact while farming well is the best/easiest method to get to 5k. unfortunately axe isn't a farming hero and my carries were pretty horrendous in my first game (drow was 3800 mmr and was shittalking the entire game, which amused me greatly), and in the second it was partly my fault, partly the team's. those were all winnable.

either way i'm probably just gonna adopt this sarcastic tone when i lose a game badly and try to entertain as much as possible.

that's why i've been trying to stick to heroes that don't rely that much on teammates. retards still pull when theres an axe and veno on the offlane killing creeps before they even reach our tower, still got ppl insta locking pudge ending up feeding and spectres/tbs rushing naked radiance. however i'm trying to adapt

tl;dr= i dont deserve were i am

it might sound repetitive and trolling.. but... get gud and u will rise easily. I thought for a long time too i was "stuck" somewhere but then i realised everything i could have done better and suddenly i started to increase. Bad games, bad luck, leavers, that chance has everyone to suffer, good and bad players.

http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/3296940930279791489/0D6F41EDC83F45F92E41F576EA37B81BB30969B7/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/3296940930279790289/1C2C3C30AE6DC613C1E33144714C8BFFCA41CF1B/
joined a game and my whole team wants to go mid. they bloodcyka am timber and dp.
THIS GON' B GUD

TA losing to Pudge happens even to me on TA, I hate laning against Pudge. Pressure is on you to win the lane, but just one small mistake and booom. Fucking 70+% win rate after 300 games at mid 5k mmr and I can still lose lanes to pudges occassionally...

I agree with zenoth if you dont play TA much you can lose a lane to pudge, in my first TA game against pudge i maxed reflection instead of meld :/

the moment where you start attributing any of your loss to teammates is the moment you stop improving.
something that i do consistently is to mute all my opp whenever the game starts. helps you concentrate.

Nicely done. It is a lot easier to gain MMR if you can stand spamming Phoenix though!

Epic blog, liked, subbed.

The only way to win is to mute all your teammates

? I didn't say I was "stuck" at my MMR, or "I didn't deserve this," read the thread...

I am saying EVERYONE in the 4k shitter bracket is awful, including me. EVERYONE WITH 4000-4999 MMR IS AWFUL. Literally I came across maybe 2-3 players in the past several weeks with some MMR [4xxxx] who deserves to be at 5000 because of their gameplay/game sense.

Whenever I see a decent support who nabs me some kills, their endscreen MMR is > 5000. Whenever a support leeches exp and is overall useless, their endscreen MMR is < 5000. Not too surprising tbh, better understanding and execution.

Zenoth, I can't really believe that since TA can outcs pudge extremely easily and wins as long as you dodge hook. Also having 47 cs in 20 min on TA is no excuse no matter how much you're "ganking." In my Ember game I had 48 cs in 10 min while having a score of 5-0-0 at 10 min. That player was just awful. Also if he can't play TA...then don't pick the hero lol.

Thank you Jussi, but my phoenix is awful haha.

SUb 5k Pleb, I do the same thing, but only if my team goes full retard. It's amusing to see their chat sometimes even if all they're doing is all-chatting like a moron.

lol i ran into another dotabuff forum poster vandal, this should be interesting

vandal too stronk

TA outcs pudge, but if you lose control of the creep wave it's not safe to farm beyond the river thanks to melee range anymore.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/582139155

I got stomped by some random Pudge mid - if he rots and catches up with you it's basically a race to see whose hp drops faster as you can't outrun him, and he started with double gauntlets. Mid lane snowballs very quickly.

I would consider myself a fairly competent TA player based on the number of games and records I have on this hero, so I cringe when people blame a fellow TA player for losing to Pudge. Things can look awful very quickly, and not necessarily because of incompetence with that hero - sometimes people fail to understand that. On one hand I have stomped mid against competitive players with my TA, and yet on a bad day I can get crushed by some 4k Pudge.

"Games should be pretty easy till I breach the halfway point"
dude you're so wrong

games are pretty easy if you're playing 1k under your MMR
above that it's already hard, mostly because of allies, not enemies

I'm pretty sure vandal was like 1-3 or something on safe lane sf in my game till like 20 min in when my team fed over and over, oh well. i'll write about it.

holy fuck this current pool of players is cancerous, i get 2 players in both games who random and can't play their hero at all. i'm going to wait like 10 min before clicking the "find match button"

how's ur solo q recently guys

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7EYd5hK.jpg[/IMG]

go kill urself u retarded monkey i dont want to read this shit and ur crying about ur rating being super low

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxh40Q4FqUM

3k player saying he is 5k player

i can mmr boost u tho

from 4000 to 5000 it's 15~ keys for each 100 points, u can pay for 1k points or 100 each

wave i didn't cry about my rating, PLZ READ the purpose of this thread.

also i can get a 5k account from friends for free if i want to but not going to do that

xaxaxaxaXAXAXAXAXAXA

"also i can get a 5k account from friends for free if i want to but not going to do that""

u know the price for 5k accounts is higher now that valve changed calibration, why dont u sell them and make big bucks huh

coz i can ask them to play on my account, i don't need to buy/sell them (not interested either)

why isn't every 6k player selling accounts

they are under different names and/or they boost their main accs like half of the people on leaderboards is doing atm

based klasynky turkish #1 middle east player TÜRKIYE CD/CM ABUZER

i missed u wave
we are in need of some flaming being done around here, bogidoto making way too many trash threads

for example: http://dotabuff.com/topics/2014-04-04-lf-ppl-to-smurf-together-till-lvl-13

fl.topson.int was abusing cm/cd recently too, add him onto the list

nah i want to do same as bogidota, i need a stack in unranked and win 200 times without losing once and then i'll pick tb in ranked to 7k

(not saying i'll do it with bogidota, i just need a zapport and cärry)

nah imperium they all do it lol :DD and valve wont do shit cuz they are retarded

beesa doesn't though ;D

yo why are my games at 4300 harder than at 4700 lol this makes no sense...time for more posts

Zenoth can TA manfight pudge if you max meld ? In my first TA game against pudge i maxed reflection ( didnt really think about it ) so everytime he got in melee range with rot i was dead.

sorry vandal, if you read this thread, i didn't mean to flame, i was just upset at my team. don't take it personally.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/596532895

today's lesson...actually there are too many. i'll just list them one by one.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IFxi3Ju.jpg[/IMG]

WHY ARE U GOING BOOTS FIRST ON A MID HERO YOU RETARD, GET SOME STATS ITEMS

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1z9Qaof.jpg[/IMG]

WHERE IS UR BOTTLE, IT AIN'T ON THE CROW EITHER

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lySKSMs.jpg[/IMG]

DO U KNOW HOW TO CLICK W ON A LOW HP HERO

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kmHz29A.jpg[/IMG]

OK U DON'T, LET'S MOVE ON

(The zeus was 4100 MMR)

Also vandal didn't get razes

http://dotabuff.com/matches/596532895/skills

o.O

http://dotabuff.com/matches/596569044

sigh...i should've picked a hero i actually know how to play, so i could actually win mid against invoker. ember/ta would be fine.

if u want to see 4k shitters on one team stomping 4k shitters on another, be my guest, but it hurts lol.

Here's one theme those games had in common: I had 2 players randoming heroes on my team, that they obviously couldn't play in, and so the game was essentially going to be 3v5 from the start. If you can't play a hero...then repick. I mean is it that hard?

http://dotabuff.com/matches/596603025

3rd game today where the team fed...but I actually managed to carry. I don't think the game needed to be that difficult either, but I won't comment too much about it. Sand King was the only competent teammate and helped secure the win, I think the others were just running around being useless until late-game when they actually helped win team fights.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EN8UuQb.jpg[/IMG]

Tinker has a huge lead over our mid (magnus), due to ganks. Ember also had 3 kills on my solo seer, but I'm farming ok. 54/7 cs at 10 min, could be better though (I won't get into why, they're minor details and involve chasing heroes needlessly, but it didn't affect the outcome of the game).

So what do you do? Typically PL players go something like treads/drums/diffusal/[high tier item]. They might rush radiance after drums. Unfortunately those weren't viable item builds that game, for a simple reason. The opponents kept trying to suppress my farm by rotating top (Tinker had BoTs, it wasn't unusual to see all 4 come top whenever I was farming in plain sight) and I can't go up against Ember 1v1. So literally there's no viable lane to farm. So my ONLY option is to farm the jungle, which contributed to my 0 deaths.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Il0dHmo.jpg[/IMG]

I've been using this build since I saw Beesa do so in pubs, and it works. It speeds up your jungling by a significant margin and also lets you pick off 1-2 heroes with the increased DPS if you ever see the opportunity. (Doppelwalk in, Lance, turn on MoM)

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xXgj7pH.jpg[/IMG]

The opponents were adamant about ganking my lane as much as possible (you can see their positioning as they retreat). Basically there's no way I would have 137 cs in 20 min without that item. With the typical drums build I would have 100 at best.

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Magnus finally gets a blink dagger at 22:37. He's 0/4/1, and I suspect this is due to the fact that he randomed his hero. (Sigh...3 games today...same shit happens)

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HrmVK8z.jpg[/IMG]

Team dies 5v4...Ember wasn't even there. (Note his position on the minimap) People didn't cast spells properly.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vpTYszv.jpg[/IMG]

So what item do you build when they have heroes like potm, ember, blink dagger tinker, etc. who won't die to your regular right clicks due to having good escapes?

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AQvM9qH.jpg[/IMG]

After that I just went butterfly/abyssal/diffusal 2. The rapier was Ember's last attempt to stop our push at the end, when they were almost certain to lose. We were down a pair of rax too and almost lost another, but somehow pulled it together.

The opponents threw away their lead, and it has to do with the same issues my team was facing. Not coordinating stuns properly, running around inefficiently while I just continued to farm with not much pressure, etc.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TALLZyN.jpg[/IMG]

I don't know what other hero would possibly 1v5 that team...maybe a Naga Siren/Spectre/AM, though they're all more susceptible to being permahexed than PL.

100% guarantee boost 5k

15 keys / 100 mmr points

[IMG]http://puu.sh/7XxiD.jpg[/IMG] any hero of your choice i will play
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~ if you have 5k and want 6k it will be 80% guarantee and 25 keys / 100 mmr points ~

why 80%? aren't u supposed to be 6k?

wave-sama how did u lose at 4187 D: